NounsAndWords 192 points 3 years ago

Sanders notably attributed the war in Gaza to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and “the right-wing Netanyahu government” — not to Israel in general.

This extremely obvious distinction seems to get completely lost in every discussion on the topic. I like Israel and they have the right to exist. I don't like far right conservative governments run by corrupt war criminals (but enough about Bush...).

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NoneOfUrBusiness 12 points 3 years ago

I mean Netanyahu has been winning elections since 1996 (granted there was a gap in the middle) so the election is getting dubious.

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Serinus -5 points 3 years ago

And 72% of Palestinians believe the October 7th attack was "correct".

https://www.reuters.com/...

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endhits 35 points 3 years ago

Don't treat people worse than literal cattle for decades and they won't hate you.

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Serinus -3 points 3 years ago

Okay, say Israel tomorrow turns the other cheek. They take down all checkpoints and allow free travel anywhere for anyone.

How many Israelis die before the Palestinians decide they no longer "deserve" to die? Does Israel still exist in five years?

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Jordan_U 22 points 3 years ago

This same argument has been made throughout history.

"If we let Black people have freedom they'll murder all of the white plantation owners!"

Now, I wouldn't blame formerly enslaved people for murdering the people who enslaved them, but that didn't happen.

Aparthide in South Africa was ended without the promised (by white people) "white genocide" either.

Settler-colonial powers always think that the people they're oppressing will commit genocide, because it's what colonizers do.

The only road to true peace is full human rights for all.

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Serinus 6 points 3 years ago

If there's an argument that's going to sway me, it's the historical comparisons. I need to read more about how similar situations have ended in the past, even if a direct comparison probably isn't fully accurate.

I'm absolutely interested in a path to peace; I just don't see one right now. I don't think putting 100% of the burden of peace on Israel is reasonable or possible. Hamas still has over a hundred hostages (assuming they're still alive).

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NoneOfUrBusiness 5 points 3 years ago

I don’t think putting 100% of the burden of peace on Israel is reasonable or possible.

Israel is the one who singlehandedly built the current status quo, going as far as to fund Hamas and support them against the PNA.

Hamas still has over a hundred hostages (assuming they’re still alive).

Because hostages are one of the few ways Hamas can get concessions (including Palestinian political prisoners) out of Israel. If Hamas doesn't have hostages Israel simply won't stop.

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