Experts: Jack Smith’s “dramatic new proof” so “overwhelming” reluctant witnesses may decide to flip

3 years ago by TheJims to c/politics

Trump “demonstrated a criminal intent" to collaborate with insurrectionists at “expense of the Constitution," law professor says.
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chillhelm 151 points 3 years ago

Shit or get off the pot.

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jordanlund 105 points 3 years ago

If you're trying to keep track of where we're at in the Trump prosecutions:

Updated 01/08/2024

Washington, D.C.
4 federal felonies
January 6th Election Interference

Investigation
Indictment
Arrest  <- You Are Here
Trial - March 4th, 2024, one day before Super Tuesday primaries.
Jack Smith had requested that the Supreme Court immediately rule on Trump's immunity defense, the Court rejected the request, requiring it to go through the usual appeals process first.
Conviction
Sentencing

New York
34 state felonies
Stormy Daniels Payoff

Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - March 25th, 2024
Conviction
Sentencing

Florida
40 federal felonies
Top Secret Documents charges

Investigation
Indictment
Original indictment was for 37 felonies.
3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - May 20, 2024
Conviction
Sentencing

Georgia
13 state felonies
Election Interference

Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
All 19 defendants have surrendered.
Trial - A trial date of Aug. 5, 2024 has been requested, not approved yet.
Three defendants, Kenneth Chesebro, Sidney Powell, and bail bondsman Scott Hall, have all pled guilty and have agreed to testify in other cases.
The judge in the case has set a deadline of December 1st for all motions to be filed, expect a trial date at some point after that.
Conviction
Sentencing

Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, or the Arizona fake electors, have not been announced.

The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it's a civil case and not a crimimal one. That trial date is currently set for January 15th, the same day as the Iowa caucus. and has now been determined to be for damages only as Trump was already found liable.

As a function of the January 6th and Georgia trials, there are now lawsuits in two states to bar Trump from the primary ballot based on the insurrection clause of the 14th Amendment.

Colorado:

12/19/23 - The Colorado Supreme Court has ruled that Trump is not eligible for the primary ballot due to being barred by the 14th Amendment as an insurrectionist.

The Supreme Court has agreed to hear arguments starting Thursday, February 8th.

Minnesota:

11/8/2023 - State Supreme Court denies challenge, allows ballot access.  

Maine:

12/29/2023 - Maine's Secretary of State has ruled that Trump is not qualified for the ballot., which is now being challenged.

A long-shot write in candidate for President has also filed suits seeking to bar Trump from the ballot in Florida, Kansas, Montana, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Utah, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

His cases in Arizona, California, Idaho, Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island,  and West Virginia have been thrown out:

https://www.democracydocket.com/...

https://ballot-access.org/...

https://ballot-access.org/...

https://www.wmur.com/...

https://www.providencejournal.com/...

https://wvmetronews.com/...

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TWeaK 18 points 3 years ago

This should be updated with the US Supreme Court hearing the appeal against Colorado Supreme Court removing Trump from the ballot, which will start being heard on 8 Feb.

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Killer_Tree 9 points 3 years ago

Thank you for collecting all this information in one place, it is appreciated! Does a website or blog exist where this information is posted and updated? If not, there should be.

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Fades 99 points 3 years ago

That’s not how the legal system works. If you come at the king you best not miss and jack has no interest in missing.

I’d rather have an air tight case given how slippery Trump has been. You clearly understand how difficult this is yet here you are advocating for a rush job.

Let him cook.

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grue 48 points 3 years ago

It's been three fucking years. I strenuously object to the notion that building even an airtight case for crimes we all witnessed live on national fucking TV really needed to take this goddamn long!

For perspective, by this amount of time had passed after the Beer Hall Putsch, Hitler had been arrested, tried, convicted, imprisoned, wrote a shitty book, and pardoned and released again. If even the Weimar fucking Republic -- damn near a failed state -- could manage that, what do these ridiculous delays say about us?!

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Hylactor 43 points 3 years ago

In principle I agree. But the truth is the GOP has gone fully rogue. They aren't even playing the same game, let alone by the same rules. The more latitude Trump and those in thrall to him are afforded, the more likely an actual, effective, coup is executed. The deeper into the process Trump gets, the more legitimaized he becomes. The more legitimaized he becomes the more the "implications" increase. Basically he needs to be removed from the game as soon as possible because time is a huge factor. He's very good at stall tactics, and he is very good at making sure things do or do not stay in the public consciousness. In short, the most dangerous thing you can give Trump to play with is time.

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douglasg14b 10 points 3 years ago

We've already missed on multiple occasions and it's showing now.

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ook_the_librarian 9 points 3 years ago

I'm with you on the legal side, but on the media side, wtf. I'm tired of having to check whether each piece of new, devastating evidence is in fact a) new and not some new wrapper around an article from yesterday b) actually devastating, not routine filing and c) relevant at all.

That's no dig at this particular article, but these headlines are inducing a "shit or get off the pot" mentality as far as trying to keep up.

Edit: I would like to note that this headline engages in speculation (note the word "may"). That is some "shit or get off the pot" shit. I'm tired of what "may" happen. At least in the headline. Speculation has its place. It's in the body of a well-sourced article.

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agitatedpotato 7 points 3 years ago

If the legal system cannot hold Trump accountable before hes able to get elected president and make these investigations stop then the legal system doesn't work. A system that cannot protect itself from the people it's supposed to punish is fundamentally broken, and that's looking like where we are. Cling to the broken system and you should expect broken results.

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newthrowaway20 3 points 3 years ago

Wait, are we cooking or are we shitting? Because those are very different pots...

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protist 13 points 3 years ago

Isn't the trial date already set? This is just an article about some random "expert opinion," not something actually from the case.

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WaxiestSteam69 5 points 3 years ago

I'm so tired of these that I'm nimb to it. I've resigned myself to a bleak Donald Trump filled future.

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JustMy2c 2 points 3 years ago

Dont

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nilloc 1 point 3 years ago

Convict or I’ll lose whatever faith I have left in this shithole of a country.

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