Almost 50 Democrats snub Biden with vote against cluster bombs for Ukraine

3 years ago by NightOwl to c/worldnews

Nearly 50 House Democrats snubbed President Biden by voting for an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) Thursday that would have sought to block his move to provide cluster mu…

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pumpsnabben 40 points 3 years ago

I don't really understand why the US is even considering giving Ukraine cluster bombs. They are banned in a lot of countries for a reason and Russia was rightly criticized for using them.

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buckykat 14 points 3 years ago

Think of the poor cluster bomb manufacturers. How will they maximize shareholder value if nobody uses their widely banned weapons that mostly kill civilians?

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lemmyshmemmy -39 points 3 years ago

Oh really, which manufacturer do you think is benefitting? Nobody makes cluster bombs in the US by the way.

Also, these cluster bombs mostly kill civilians? Would love to see proof of that.

Who pays you to post disinformation, the CCP or Kremlin?

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iridaniotter 9 points 3 years ago

On July 7th, Biden said the US was running low on ammunition. Since they don't really care about civilian casualties, tapping into the cluster bomb stockpile was a no-brainer.

This is a war relating to munitions. And they’re running out of that ammunition, and we’re low on it. And so, what I finally did, I took the recommendation of the Defense Department to – not permanently – but to allow for this transition period while we get more 155 weapons, these shells, for the Ukrainians.

Pretty sad.

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Devious_Thoughts 8 points 3 years ago

The US, Russia, and Ukraine have not signed any bans on cluster munitions. Russia, is already using cluster munitions AND mines IN Ukraine.

If you're worried about civilian casualties, you SHOULD be worried about the MILLIONS of mines and cluster munitions Russia is already using IN Ukraine. Ukraine is more than well within their right, to use cluster munitions.

Additionally, Ukraine has NOT used their stockpile of cluster munitions, out of respect for this western ignorance that could be used by Russia against them. Like they're currently trying to do.

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hglman 9 points 3 years ago

That isnt for cluster munitions good. Its extreme whataboutism.

Absolutely gross comment promoting more harm.

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libscratcher 6 points 3 years ago

And the United States called it a war crime when Russia started doing so. Pure hypocrisy.

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133arc585 3 points 3 years ago

Additionally, Ukraine has NOT used their stockpile of cluster munitions, out of respect for this western ignorance that could be used by Russia against them.

Do you mean they haven't used all of their stockpile? If that's the case, why are they asking for more?

We know they've used some, so combine the fact that they've used some, with the fact that they're asking for more, and how can you conclude anything other than that they've used (most of if not all of) their stockpile?

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pumpsnabben -3 points 3 years ago

Would you support sending tactical nuclear weapons to Ukraine?

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