The President Can Now Assassinate You, Officially

2 years ago by Five to c/politics

Under this new standard, a president can go on a four-to-eight-year crime spree and then retire from public life, never to be held accountable.
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anticolonialist -82 points 2 years ago

You would think that somebody that called themselves a journalist would actually have journalistic integrity. Nothing the 'journalist' claimed was in the SCOTUS ruling. SCOTUS ruled that the president has immunity for many of his presidential actions and none for personal actions such as going on a murder streak

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Ranvier 70 points 2 years ago

Under this ruling the president has absolute immunity for their use of any powers granted by the constitution, and that includes use of the military, pardon powers, and appointing and firing of executive department officials. Their motivations and purposes for use of those powers cannot be questioned by the courts or by any laws passed by congress.

The whole "official" vs "non official" acts things only comes into play for powers not explicitly granted by the constitution. And even then the president gets presumptive immunity.

Go read the actual ruling and the dissents and stop spreading misinformation. The journalist and the headline are accurate.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/...

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Akuden -39 points 2 years ago

That's not true. Criminal acts are not protected, nor can they be made in an official capacity. Furthermore, the ruling says the court that determines official acts is the trails court. Not the supreme Court. Stop spreading misinformation.

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JigglySackles 2 points 2 years ago

What's a criminal act when your highest court gives you a free pass? Laws mean nothing if they are not enforced.

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Akuden -3 points 2 years ago

The highest court didn't give any president a free pass. If the president is carrying out a function of the constitution there is immunity. For everything else they enjoy no immunity. Like for instance breaking a law.

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JigglySackles 3 points 2 years ago

And the courts bought by Trump and Co. will see to it that every criminal behavior is considered official and constitutional. You are a bit blind if you see this having any positive effect. The president, and anyone else for that matter, should have zero immunity. Immunity only invites abuse. Just look at qualified immunity for a great example of how it is a failed idea.

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Akuden 0 points 2 years ago

Never once have I said I'm for this.

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JigglySackles 1 point 2 years ago

True, but your defense of it does give the appearance that you at the least do not mind it. You don't seem to find it problematic, and to others that itself is also problematic. Please feel free to contradict me if I'm wrong, but from what you've said so far you really, as I mentioned, do seem to not see the issues or repercussions this will have.

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Akuden 0 points 2 years ago

First responders have (in some counties had) immunity while doing their job. If grandma needs CPR you don't want a first responder to hesitate to provide that CPR because they might crack a rib and get sued, or worse, thrown in jail.

The president should not be afraid to make decisions in fear of political retaliation, which is exactly what this ruling clarifys.

If the first responder breaks the law they are held accountable. If the president breaks the law they will be held accountable.

This doesn't mean the president can do whatever they want and they are immune from the law. That's ridiculous. The ruling even states that.

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