Early disappointment

3 years ago by coja to c/programmerhumor

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Lakso 102 points 3 years ago

...then don't study computer science. I study CS and it's annoying when someone in a more math/logic oriented course is like "If I get a job at a tech company I won't need this". All that IS computer science, if you just wanna code, learn to code.

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Zetaphor 48 points 3 years ago

The problem is a lot of people who want to learn to code, and are conditioned to desire the college route of education, don't actually know that there is a difference and that you can be completely self-taught in the field without ever stepping foot in a university.

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oce 17 points 3 years ago

We're not closing schools despite having libraries and the internet, having (good) teachers is useful to learn faster and get pushed further. There are some good programming schools that can make it more efficient for you. I think the main problem is rather the insane cost of higher education in the USA which create anxiety about being certain that you can repay it in the future it may open for you. It is sad.

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QuazarOmega 15 points 3 years ago

I always wanted to believe this, but, at least in my country, not even a specialized high school degree is enough to get me anywhere for months, it's crazy.
Maybe you could even make it without formal education, but everyone's always looking for those sweet 3+ years of experience in the field (ಥ﹏ಥ)

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dhruv 3 points 3 years ago

It is really difficult to get a good job being self taught.

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Neato 19 points 3 years ago

Can you get well paying coding jobs with upward mobility without at least a BA in CS?

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AnarchoYeasty 19 points 3 years ago

It's harder to break into but I make 150k and barely graduated high school. Software engineering is largely a field that doesn't care about degrees but about ability. It's harder these days to break into the field than it was 10 years ago when I did but it's absolutely still possible

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fred 9 points 3 years ago

I have a fine arts degree and I'm a lead dev 🤷‍♂️

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oce 7 points 3 years ago

Maybe not what you're asking but people with a non-CS M.Sc or PhD commonly switch to coding, especially in the data fields.

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regular_human 4 points 3 years ago

Anecdotally, I have an associates degree in horticulture and am currently the engineering lead for a team of six

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breakfastburrito 2 points 3 years ago

I used to work at a small tech company (5-10 employees) and when we hired for entry level coders we’d receive hundreds of applications. Most of them would be grads from bootcamps, some with undergraduate degrees and some without. My boss would just throw out any that didn’t have a bs in something, but preferred a stem degree. He knew they didn’t need a degree, he knew you didn’t need actual coding experience, it was just a quick (maybe illegal) way to make that list of applications more manageable. Edit: as other people have said - after your first job you are basically “in” and are a very desirable candidate. Your education matters much less after your first job.

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sheepyowl 2 points 3 years ago

If you entered the field 10 years ago, sure. If you're trying to enter the field now, I have bad news...

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Zetaphor 1 point 3 years ago

I've never been to college and my job title today is Software Architect, I've been doing this for nearly 20 years.

It was extremely hard at first to get a job because everyone wanted a BA, but that was also 20 years ago. Once I had some experience and could clearly demonstrate my capabilities they were more open to hiring me. The thing a degree shows is that you have some level of experience and commitment, but the reality is a BA in CompSci doesn't actually prepare you for the reality of 99% of software development.

I think most companies these days have come to realize this. Unless you're trying to apply to one of the FANG corps (or whatever the acronym is now) you'll be just fine if you have a decent portfolio and can demonstrate an understanding of the fundamentals.

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cosmicboi 5 points 3 years ago

I would have done CS if every math class at my school didn't have 500 people in it. Even college algebra. They basically made everything a weed-out class

I do think many of the CS concepts are pretty cool :)

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jungekatz 3 points 3 years ago

Well what i felt working at a tech company that there are instances where we run into specific problems those may need to devise an algo ,and most of my non computer science peers fail to understand why!!

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