How i feel on Lemmy

3 years ago by sizeoftheuniverse to c/memes

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CAPSLOCKFTW 251 points 3 years ago

There were no actual efforts to establish communism in eastern europe. Only autocratic regimes backed by soviet russia.

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InternationalBastard 257 points 3 years ago

It's like saying democracy sucks because look at states like Democratic People's Republic of Korea, Democratic Republic of Congo and German Democratic Republic.

When people proclaim to be something doesn't make it true.

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WastingCommentSpace 3 points 2 years ago
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dub 46 points 3 years ago

I'm no too learned in the subject but what would "true" communism even look like on the large scale like a country? Would it even be feasible?

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Atheran 119 points 3 years ago

True communism in a country is impossible.

You can have socialism, or anarchy, which we've seen before, but communism cannot function in one country alone, unless said country is completely and absolutely self reliant.

A major part of communism is internationalism, which is why socialist countries had the Comintern. (Communist International). Besides a political/social system, communism has a strong basis as an economic system. You can't apply communist economic system principles to the capitalist market.

To my knowledge, no existing country is self reliant to the point that they can completely cut off trade with the rest of the world. USSR didn't do it, China didn't do it and they were the two biggest countries at the time.

That, of course is all a very surface level ELI5, and if you want to ask something more specific or in depth, feel free to.

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IDriveWhileTired 12 points 3 years ago

Well, it is feasible. You just need to give people replicators and free living space, and they will eventually learn to use their skills to enrich the world we live in. And boldly go where no one has gone before.

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squaresinger 9 points 3 years ago

True communism is pretty much impossible, same as true capitalism.

There have been some short-lived small-scale experiments like the "United Order", but nothing that actually survived more than a few months with more than a few thousand people.

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ProdigalFrog 3 points 2 years ago

Realistically, it would look something like how the Anarchists organized society in Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War, or how Rojava is organizing today with communal federations. Anarchism sidesteps the inevitable authoritarian regime that various Marxist theories have by not installing a 'temporary' vanguard state that quickly becomes autocratic and dictatorial, they just jump straight to decentralizing power immediately by giving it to the people.

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sizeoftheuniverse 9 points 3 years ago

And here comes the guy who thinks he can do it better, this time without mass killings.

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DoucheAsaurus 90 points 3 years ago

With capitalism we just outsource the death to 3rd world countries.

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kilinrax 45 points 3 years ago

Hey, I can think what happened in Eastern Europe was just authoritarian dictatorships, backed by Muscovite colonialism & branded as communism just the same as what happened in parts of South America was just authoritarian dictatorship, backed by American imperialism & branded as laissez-faire capitalism.

Also I can think communism has never actually been tried, and that it’s functionally impossible (therefore people should stop advocating for it).

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Lenins2ndCat 9 points 3 years ago

Implying capitalism does not regularly do mass killings.

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CAPSLOCKFTW -2 points 3 years ago

This time without hierarchy wherever possible. And we'll keep most of the capitalistic economy as is, just redistribute the wealth so that everybody is safe and happy. Cut the bullshit jobs, make produced goods more durable and sustainable, so that the last at least ten times as long, cut more jobs in producing, distribute the remaining work to all the people, everybody who wants to get a little extra can do this by working, most will. I certainly would still work even if i did not have to, even if there is no monetary benefit. Doing a job that is nice and that you like is fun, because you're doing your part.

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kilinrax -3 points 3 years ago
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cryball -17 points 3 years ago

Can't critizise something that has never been tried! Also we already got a comment critizising capitalism as a counter argument :D

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lieuwex 8 points 3 years ago

In what sense was it not an actual effort? Just because it quickly slid into non-marxism doesn't say anything about the initial idea of the revolutionaries. Bakunin predicted exactly what would happen with Marxism, and it did every time.

If you are against an authoritarian state, the only viable way to communism is to skip the dictatorship part directly and just have anarchism.

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ReaganMcDonald 1 point 3 years ago
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Polydextrous 4 points 3 years ago

There were no actual efforts to establish communism

Period. Relying on the “temporary” government to relinquish their power is…foolish. If you’re building a system for the greater good, hierarchy will always undermine that goal. Unequal amounts of power does not a just system make.

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vegai 3 points 3 years ago
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Nalivai 27 points 3 years ago

America is very close to being real market economy, that's why it sucks so much.

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matricaria 2 points 3 years ago

That’s a joke, right?

Right?

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CAPSLOCKFTW 3 points 3 years ago

If you want to argue against that, fine by me. I have nothing against an honest duscussion. But this comment is neither funny nor smart.

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Taleya 2 points 2 years ago

I literally pissed a slow day at work away pointing out the many, many flaws in the USSR to a lemming whose primary response was LALALALA I CAN't HEAR YOU, GO READ THIS BOOK

There is definitely a cadre of extremely disillusioned and extremely ill informed users who think the USSR was legitimate sunshine and candy communism

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Fazoo 1 point 3 years ago

Oh here we go with "That wasn't real communism!" as if any other communist state on this planet is any different.

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PopOfAfrica 17 points 3 years ago
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CAPSLOCKFTW 13 points 3 years ago

I mean they violated some if tge main principles outlined by Marx, like the other states, who almost all followed the lenin-stalin-model, so yeah. Prove me wrong.

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LadyAutumn 1 point 3 years ago

They are though. China, Vietnam and Cuba are all pretty drastically different and they are all communist countries.

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Hexadecimalkink -2 points 3 years ago

Give me an example of a capitalist society. Waiting.

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FreeloadingSponger -3 points 3 years ago

Full no true scotsman.

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ciko22i3 -19 points 3 years ago

Communism fails every time it is tried because it goes against human nature of constantly comparing yourself to others and trying to improve yourself. You will never do harder work if you can get the same reward for easier work, and you will look for other, less moral ways of getting the bigger reward.

Communism sounds great but it will never work until we have unlimited resources and completely automated labour.

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CAPSLOCKFTW 33 points 3 years ago

Nah, that's just wrong. You can compare yourself in other ways than how much fake money you earn. Fun thing is: truly communistic society would mean easier work for most people.

And communism does work in small scale enviroments. Families, cooperatives, tribes. Sometimes neighborhoods.

This whole "Sounds great but won't work" rhethoric is just what the ones that would loose their power in communsim want you to think. If you dig into it you will see, that there were and are a lot of efforts to discredit the idea.

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Kecessa 6 points 3 years ago

That's funny because I do easy work for a great paycheck yet we have a harder time hiring than in my previous job which didn't pay as well and was harder.

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LaKris 4 points 3 years ago

While I agree with you, this doesn’t mean that Eastern Europe was communist.

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