Yerbouti -27 points 2 years ago

My problem with this is, who gets to decide where bourgeoisie start and ends. Because for the majority of the world, the average American is a selfish bourgeois with a big house and two cars, who thinks oppression is when the gas price rise. Kill all the bourgeois fine, but who gets to decide who lives and who dies?

edit: jeez americans, we dont have to agree on everything and downvote to hell just because someone says something we dont like. Maybe in the US shooting people you dont like seems like a resonable solution, but I'm sorry it's not that simple in the rest of the world.

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Cowbee 50 points 2 years ago

Class is about relation to the Means of Production, not simple wealth. The US is largely made up of labor aristocracy who benefit from Imperialism, like you pointed out, but aren't bourgeoisie.

Secondly, putting people to death isn't the goal, changing property relations is. Adventurism is cool to see, but doesn't actually change anything.

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Yerbouti -20 points 2 years ago

So who gets to decide?

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Cowbee 28 points 2 years ago

It's, again, a relation to production. Capital Owners, ie business owners and whatnot, are bourgeoisie. I suggest reading the first section in my introductory Marxist reading list.

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Yerbouti -23 points 2 years ago

So business owners must die got you. If I do some freelancing sometimes, should I kill myself? Asking for a friend.

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noscere 26 points 2 years ago

if I do some freelancing sometimes, should I kill myself? Asking for a friend.

It seems that you are intentionally missing the point. If you are selling your own labor, you my friend are working class.

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Yerbouti -14 points 2 years ago

You guys are all really smart and interesting, seriously, but I'm still not convince one can just decide to kill a CEO because he considers them to be part of the bourgeoisie. My original question, is who gets to decided where to draw the line.

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