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DeepSeek Proves It: Open Source is the Secret to Dominating Tech Markets (and Wall Street has it wrong).

2 years ago by Cat to c/technology

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DeepSeek’s AI breakthrough rivals top models at a fraction of the cost, proving open source innovation is reshaping AI’s future. Is this an AI race or an open vs. closed battle?
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drahardja 54 points 2 years ago

DeepSeek shook the AI world because it’s cheaper, not because it’s open source.

And it’s not really open source either. Sure, the weights are open, but the training materials aren’t. Good luck looking at the weights and figuring things out.

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HK65 18 points 2 years ago

I think it's both. OpenAI was valued at a certain point because of a perceived moat of training costs. The cheapness killed the myth, but open sourcing it was the coup de grace as they couldn't use the courts to put the genie back into the bottle.

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Hackworth 14 points 2 years ago

True, but they also released a paper that detailed their training methods. Is the paper sufficiently detailed such that others could reproduce those methods? Beats me.

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KingRandomGuy 5 points 2 years ago

I would say that in comparison to the standards used for top ML conferences, the paper is relatively light on the details. But nonetheless some folks have been able to reimplement portions of their techniques.

ML in general has a reproducibility crisis. Lots of papers are extremely hard to reproduce, even if they're open source, since the optimization process is partly random (ordering of batches, augmentations, nondeterminism in GPUs etc.), and unfortunately even with seeding, the randomness is not guaranteed to be consistent across platforms.

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