German retirees who continue working set to earn €2,000 a month tax-free
10 months ago by Severus_Snape to c/europe
Good for your coworker, but what justifies him not paying taxes on 2.000€ per month, while university students can earn a maximum 556€ per month without paying taxes and social security.
Especially considering that your coworker probably has a considerable wealth built up already, and gets his retirement on top.
Well, he has a high skills job, in which he literally has decades of experience. Any student jobbing will probably take longer to earn the 556€. And this work time will be distracting from the main job: studying.
No, income is. Imagine a student doing a job that earns him €2000 a month. How many hours will this take? This will be nearly a full time job. Is this person still a student then?
German students are allowed to work at most 20 hours a week or they will be exmatriculated. Full time jobs are impossible.
Wrong, see below.
TL;DR: Only in one state prior to November 2024.
Huh, I was nearly certain this was the case.
After a lot of research, apparently the state I live in (Baden-Württemberg) did have this rule.
In §60 Abs. 2 Nr. 4 LHG from December 2020 to November 2024:
(2) Die Immatrikulation nach Absatz 1 Sätze 1 bis 5 ist zu versagen, wenn
- die Person in einem Dienst-, Arbeits- oder Ausbildungsverhältnis steht oder sonst beruflich tätig ist, es sei denn, dass sie nachweist, dass sie zeitlich die Möglichkeit hat, sich dem Studium uneingeschränkt zu widmen, insbesondere die erforderlichen Lehrveranstaltungen zu besuchen
This was dropped in the latest version. Combined with §62 Abs. 3 Nr. 1 (unchanged in the latest version):
(3) Studierende können von Amts wegen exmatrikuliert werden, wenn
- ein Immatrikulationshindernis nach § 60 nachträglich eintritt,
You were effectively banned from working more than 20 hours a week which I believe comes from some court ruling that working any longer loses your legal student status and makes you inelligble for certain benefits.
Edit: Added links
Wow! Interesting, TIL. Thanks for looking that up and posting it, I appreciate that!
But it really sounds crazy to me, since there are so many people doing "duales Studium", studying at the Fernuniversität Hagen which is a public university or doing something like a "Verbundstudium" at Universities of Applied Sciences.
To be fair, you could still do night shifts in full time in one extreme case. And even 10h work weeks might be incompatible with the quoted law, since it might prevent you from attending that one lecture on Friday morning or whatever.
I think it was just aiming to make sure that your studies remained being the focus of your attention - pretty wild though.
Cheers!
@feddit.org
News and information from Europe 🇪🇺
(Current banner: La Mancha, Spain. Feel free to post submissions for banner images.)
Rules (2024-08-30)
- This is an English-language community. Comments should be in English. Posts can link to non-English news sources when providing a full-text translation in the post description. Automated translations are fine, as long as they don't overly distort the content.
- No links to misinformation or commercial advertising. When you post outdated/historic articles, add the year of publication to the post title. Infographics must include a source and a year of creation; if possible, also provide a link to the source.
- Be kind to each other, and argue in good faith. Don't post direct insults nor disrespectful and condescending comments. Don't troll nor incite hatred. Don't look for novel argumentation strategies at Wikipedia's List of fallacies.
- No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, islamophobia, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism. We follow German law; don't question the statehood of Israel.
- Be the signal, not the noise: Strive to post insightful comments. Add "/s" when you're being sarcastic (and don't use it to break rule no. 3).
- If you link to paywalled information, please provide also a link to a freely available archived version. Alternatively, try to find a different source.
- Light-hearted content, memes, and posts about your European everyday belong in other communities.
- Don't evade bans. If we notice ban evasion, that will result in a permanent ban for all the accounts we can associate with you.
- No posts linking to speculative reporting about ongoing events with unclear backgrounds. Please wait at least 12 hours. (E.g., do not post breathless reporting on an ongoing terror attack.)
- Always provide context with posts: Don't post uncontextualized images or videos, and don't start discussions without giving some context first.
(This list may get expanded as necessary.)
Posts that link to the following sources will be removed
- on any topic: Al Mayadeen, brusselssignal:eu, citjourno:com, europesays:com, Breitbart, Daily Caller, Fox, GB News, geo-trends:eu, news-pravda:com, OAN, RT, sociable:co, any AI slop sites (when in doubt please look for a credible imprint/about page), change:org (for privacy reasons), archive:is,ph,today (their JS DDoS websites)
- on Middle-East topics: Al Jazeera
- on Hungary: Euronews
Unless they're the only sources, please also avoid The Sun, Daily Mail, any "thinktank" type organization, and non-Lemmy social media (incl. Substack). Don't link to Twitter directly, instead use xcancel.com. For Reddit, use old:reddit:com
(Lists may get expanded as necessary.)
Ban lengths, etc.
We will use some leeway to decide whether to remove a comment.
If need be, there are also bans: 3 days for lighter offenses, 7 or 14 days for bigger offenses, and permanent bans for people who don't show any willingness to participate productively. If we think the ban reason is obvious, we may not specifically write to you.
If you want to protest a removal or ban, feel free to write privately to the admin that applied the rule (check modlog first to find who was it.)
go to feed...
@feddit.org
News and information from Europe 🇪🇺
(Current banner: La Mancha, Spain. Feel free to post submissions for banner images.)
Rules (2024-08-30)
- This is an English-language community. Comments should be in English. Posts can link to non-English news sources when providing a full-text translation in the post description. Automated translations are fine, as long as they don't overly distort the content.
- No links to misinformation or commercial advertising. When you post outdated/historic articles, add the year of publication to the post title. Infographics must include a source and a year of creation; if possible, also provide a link to the source.
- Be kind to each other, and argue in good faith. Don't post direct insults nor disrespectful and condescending comments. Don't troll nor incite hatred. Don't look for novel argumentation strategies at Wikipedia's List of fallacies.
- No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, islamophobia, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism. We follow German law; don't question the statehood of Israel.
- Be the signal, not the noise: Strive to post insightful comments. Add "/s" when you're being sarcastic (and don't use it to break rule no. 3).
- If you link to paywalled information, please provide also a link to a freely available archived version. Alternatively, try to find a different source.
- Light-hearted content, memes, and posts about your European everyday belong in other communities.
- Don't evade bans. If we notice ban evasion, that will result in a permanent ban for all the accounts we can associate with you.
- No posts linking to speculative reporting about ongoing events with unclear backgrounds. Please wait at least 12 hours. (E.g., do not post breathless reporting on an ongoing terror attack.)
- Always provide context with posts: Don't post uncontextualized images or videos, and don't start discussions without giving some context first.
(This list may get expanded as necessary.)
Posts that link to the following sources will be removed
- on any topic: Al Mayadeen, brusselssignal:eu, citjourno:com, europesays:com, Breitbart, Daily Caller, Fox, GB News, geo-trends:eu, news-pravda:com, OAN, RT, sociable:co, any AI slop sites (when in doubt please look for a credible imprint/about page), change:org (for privacy reasons), archive:is,ph,today (their JS DDoS websites)
- on Middle-East topics: Al Jazeera
- on Hungary: Euronews
Unless they're the only sources, please also avoid The Sun, Daily Mail, any "thinktank" type organization, and non-Lemmy social media (incl. Substack). Don't link to Twitter directly, instead use xcancel.com. For Reddit, use old:reddit:com
(Lists may get expanded as necessary.)
Ban lengths, etc.
We will use some leeway to decide whether to remove a comment.
If need be, there are also bans: 3 days for lighter offenses, 7 or 14 days for bigger offenses, and permanent bans for people who don't show any willingness to participate productively. If we think the ban reason is obvious, we may not specifically write to you.
If you want to protest a removal or ban, feel free to write privately to the admin that applied the rule (check modlog first to find who was it.)
go to feed...
My coworker is happy about that. He is 70, single, healthy, and having a halftime office job keeps him busy, happy, and close to his coworker-friends. I can't imagine him sitting at home, twiddling thumbs. That would probably kill him, or at least drive him insane.
save