Rent is theft

7 months ago by zedgeist to c/aboringdystopia

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village604 56 points 7 months ago

Rent isn't theft. It's payment for a service. Whether or not that service is of value to you is a different story, but not everyone is interested in owning.

There are benefits to renting. You don't have to be financially responsible for repairs, you don't have to do maintenance or pay someone to do it for you, you have much less financial risk, and you can relocate much easier.

And not all landlords are rich people. I do agree that corporate ownership of residential property shouldn't be allowed, though.

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UnderpantsWeevil 72 points 7 months ago

Rent isn’t theft. It’s payment for a service.

What service does the land speculator provide to the tenant? The landlord doesn't develop the property, that's the builder. The landlord doesn't maintain the property, that's done by contractors. The landlord doesn't secure the property, that's done by the state. The landlord often doesn't even finance the property, as the property is inevitably mortgaged and underwritten by banks one step removed from the title holder.

Quite literally, the only thing landlords do is collect the check and transfer portions of it onward. They are, at best, payment processors. And even this job is routinely outsourced to a third party.

There are benefits to renting.

There are lower institutional barriers to renting than to owning, largely resulting from the artificial shortage of public land and public housing. Rents are the consequence of real estate monopolization and public malinvestment. Once the landlords themselves vanish, the "benefits" of renting vanish with them.

And not all landlords are rich people.

There's an old joke Donald Trump likes to tell, back in the 90s when he was underwater on his personal holdings. He's driving through Lower Manhattan in a limo with his daughter and he points out the window to a homeless man. Then he quips, "I'm $800M poorer than that man". To which his daughter replies, "If that's true why are we in a limo while he's out on the street?"

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thenextguy 25 points 7 months ago

Should hotels be illegal too? That’s basically renting out a room by the day. What if you cannot afford to buy a house, or only want to live somewhere temporarily? If you cannot rent any place to live, what would you do?

As with most things, it is a matter of degree.

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UnderpantsWeevil 37 points 7 months ago path: 0 21938970 21939260 21939494 21939933, hotness: undefined, score: 37, children: 24
thenextguy 1 point 7 months ago

I merely pointed out that not all ‘rent is bad’, ‘landlords are evil’.

Among probably many reasons that housing is unaffordable for many is that some persons or corporations are awful scumbags that want to maximize their profit beyond what is reasonable or fair.

Renting isn’t bad. Capitalism isn’t bad. Abuse of these things is bad.

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DirtSona 6 points 7 months ago

Abuse of these things is a core feature of capitalism. How can you contradict yourself so quickly?

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thenextguy 4 points 7 months ago

The world is not black and white. I don’t accept the validity of your claim.

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Kepion 8 points 7 months ago

Shelter is a fundamental human need, locking it behind an unnecessarily high and ever increasing pay wall is the epitome of abuse. Landlords are leeches.

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DirtSona 1 point 7 months ago

The world is not black and white. But still you will 100% keep your claim. Again. Contradict yourself in two sentences.

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athatet 0 points 7 months ago

Capitalism is most definitely bad tho, like come on.

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