It Turns Out That When Waymos Are Stumped, They Get Intervention From Workers in the Philippines

8 months ago by return2ozma to c/technology

During a Congressional hearing, Waymo's chief safety officer, Mauricio Peña, was grilled over the company's reliance on overseas workers.
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Zwuzelmaus 9 points 8 months ago

Moravy also argued that to stop anybody from taking control of vehicles, the company “actively participates in hacking events

Read this slowly:

Here they admit that their vehicles can be hacked and then remotely cotrolled.

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EmilyIsTrans 48 points 8 months ago

They're running red team hacking scenarios, an extremely standard, common, and good practice in the cybersecurity industry. Any device, especially one connected to the internet, is at risk of being hacked - it would be naive to assume otherwise, so they're hiring professionals to penetrate their security before someone else does. This is actually a sign they're taking security seriously.

Also, from the article: "they do not remotely drive the vehicles".

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Zwuzelmaus -9 points 8 months ago

Also, from the article: "they do not remotely drive the vehicles".

You may quote and repeat this as much as you like... ;-)

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EmilyIsTrans 14 points 8 months ago

Do you actually have any evidence Waymo staff can remotely drive their vehicles? Or are you just tilting at windmills? I don't really appreciate the insinuation that I am some rube by someone evidently unaware of basic cybersecurity concepts.

There are real problems with this arrangement that should be focused on rather than vague speculations - i.e. the exploitation of developing nations by the machine learning/tech industry.

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Zwuzelmaus -7 points 8 months ago

Do you actually have any evidence

I have expressed my belief, or my doubt, however you want to look at it.

someone evidently unaware of basic cybersecurity concepts.

I can assure you that is not the case. I work in IT, all my life, much longer than you, and I know all of it's basic concepts.

Think: what would happen when such a car gets stuck and the remote operator can't achieve anything with "giving directions"? He needs some stronger action. Maybe he needs to "escalate" to some "senior". What would that person do?

There is the possibility of remote steering, and I think they would use it, 10 out of 10 times, instead of telling their passengers that they give up now and everybody must leave the car.

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rebelrbl 14 points 8 months ago

“I work in IT, all my life, much longer than you, and I know all its basic concepts.”

And anyone who’s spent their life working in IT would laugh you out of the room for that sentence. Lost all credibility with that BS.

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