The AfD is flirting with Nazi history – but moral outrage alone won’t stop the far right

8 months ago by NomNom to c/europe

Coincidence or not, the party has timed its congress for the centenary of an infamous Nazi rally. But condemnation didn’t stop Hitler, and it’s not enough now, says historian and journalist Katja Hoyer
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join 32 points 8 months ago

solve the problems that cause people to vote afd, not by drowning more people in the mediterranean, but by tackling their economic precarity.

sadly the capitalist-centrist alliance is not capable of this, economic precarity makes great workers.

also institute a general cordon sanitaire against the afd, don’t allow cdu to make the false equivalence between afd and die linke.

again, very hard for the capitalist-centrist alliance, die linke is namely the only party that actually posed a threat to them.

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Hapankaali 10 points 8 months ago

Surely you can't believe the current economic situation in Germany is worse than in the 1990s - especially in East Germany?

The reasons people vote for racist parties is well-understood, and it has nothing to do with "economic" issues. The big difference between the 1990s and today is that the media are nowadays flooded with racist propaganda, whereas back then the media landscape was still dominated by public media and intellectuals. People are not any more racist than they were back then, but people didn't usually vote according to racist beliefs (aside from a handful of NPD voters) since public debate was dominated by non-racist issues. So it is precisely the opposite - economic issues have become less important to voters.

The way to defeat this surge of fascism is to start adequately regulating (social) media, for example by banning astroturfing and medical misinformation and holding those who host such content accountable.

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plyth 1 point 8 months ago

whereas back then the media landscape was still dominated by public media and intellectuals.

The funding still is. That the public broadcasters aren't intellectual is up to them, the politicians who control them and the voters who vote for them.

That the public media supported Youtube and didn't create a free alternative is up to them and the politicians. It could be incompetence but to me it is malice.

The AfD is a product of weaponized neglect. The fight against their facism is used to bind all resources which helps to establish another fascism, run by the established elite.

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theacharnian 1 point 8 months ago

Your analysis focuses on the "worse off" part of the inequality equation. You are seeing "worse off" people voting far right and you're arguing for removing that option for them.

You are ignoring the "better off" part of the inequality equation. The reason why the discourse is flooded with right wing shit is not because the "worse off" people are racists. It's because the "better off" people want them to be racists.

See, it doesn't matter whether today's economy is better than in the 1990s. What matters is that today's "better off" people have way more political power than in the 1990s. Which they use by exercising their free speech by flooding the discourse with right wing shit. Which is also why your "banning" approach just won't work: they will just shit on you stronger and you'll lose the next election.

The economic strategy to actually tackle fascism is not to make the worse off less worse off. As you argue, they are less worse off now than before. But that's looking it from the wrong side. The point is to cut down the much much better off so they no longer can translate their economic power to political power.

Focus on Sauron, not on the Haradrim. Saruman, not the Dunlendings.

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hector 2 points 8 months ago

Indeed, mainstream parties are captured by the rich and both reconciling the public to having the rich take from their shares, and the government chipping away at their freedom and putting them all under the boot of the state.

The only protest vote is the far right, and they are now supported by the US and Russia behind the scenes. They will win, sooner or later, and the US will help affix themselves in power so they never lose it, as they are able. The rot in the state(s) and institutions is so deep there is little to stop them, and no one willing to fight for the system that is already corrupted and getting worse every cycle.

All while mainstream politicians continue on like it's 1990 selling out people to powerful interests to steal their lunch and freedom, suppressing any popular reform in their ranks as if they can continue as they have been indefinitely.

They learn nothing, the experts are paid by the super rich, and are the last ones we can trust on anything, let alone elections and political leadership. Only a fool doesn't see it at this point though, no matter how many suits tell us to not believe our own lying eyes.

Either we give voters popular reform, or the far right, backed by the US and Russian covertly and overtly, will. And their populism is fake, misdirecting anger from the rich onto scapegoats.

Don't discount the support of the US in putting them over the top, it's a dire situation if we allow mainstream parties to continue on as is, concentrating on bringing the trojan horses (and redesigned trojan sheep as in age checks,) of age controls and chatcontrol that tech left outside the walls of liberal democracy in.

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plyth 0 points 8 months ago

die linke is namely the only party that actually posed a threat to them.

Unfortunately not. They increased the popularity of die linke on short notice to get the BSW out of the parliament. The BSW is the threat.

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join 6 points 8 months ago

die linke is the only party that wants to tax capital

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