Lisan al-Gaib!

7 months ago by merdaverse to c/politicalcartoons

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norbert_waggletail 65 points 7 months ago

I mean, I get it, but I always feel like linking trump to fictional villains is not doing him justice. If I remember the books correctly Baron Harkonnen was a somewhat competent dictator.

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8oow3291d 23 points 7 months ago

The Fremen in the books were the finest soldiers in the galaxy. And Baron Harkonnen in the book (and the films) fucked up big time, by being completely unaware of their numbers or their quality.

I am reminded of Putin's expectation of a 3 day special military operation in Ukraine. Baron Harkonnen's intelligence fuckup was arguably even worse.

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djsoren19 11 points 7 months ago

I mean, the Fremen predominantly lived in areas that the rest of the galaxy considered uninhabitable, in sietches hidden in caves, with a better understanding of their planet than anyone else. You can call it a mistake, but how exactly were the Harkonnen's supposed to accurately gauge Fremen manpower? I wouldn't call it a fuckup on their part, more a strength of the Fremens.

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luciferofastora 10 points 7 months ago

The spark that rendered the Fremen so dangerous was the arrival of the Lisan Al'Gaib. The seed for that was planted by the Bene Gesserit, who aren't exactly known for being forthcoming with their secrets. And not even the Bene Gesserit seemed to fully appreciate Paul's potential until shit started hitting the 'thopter.

No mentat nor governor could have foreseen the disastrous consequences of a secret plan, upset by an unplanned deviation, escalating upon contact with a people largely hidden from galactic attention.

What the Emperor and Harkonnens did plan was the fall of House Atreides, and that went as smoothly as any plan could go: maneuver the Atreides into an awful position where the limited administrative capacities of a military aristocracy were stretched thin, plant a traitor that should have been incapable of treason, enabling the use of weaponry thought outdated, bolster their forces with elite troops, abduct the Atreides instead of actually killing them to create plausible deniability, make sure that the Bene Gesserit mother doesn't get to use her Voice. They stacked the odds in their favour meticulously.

But any plan is subject to unforeseen deviations, and that deviation was Paul's own command of the Voice, leading to his and his mother's escape from their captors, subsequent escape from the Sardaukar, subsequent survival of the storm and most fatally the awakening of Paul's abilities.

I don't think you can fault any commander for overlooking that the exclusively female Bene Gesserit witches might have trained a male in their art, who might then proceed to survive a storm, find shelter with the savages out there, be hailed their messiah and come lead those undisciplined desert dwellers in a successful assault on a well-kept military force.

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cabillaud 1 point 7 months ago

Fun fact: Putin never said it was going to last 3 days in Ukraine.

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PunnyName 18 points 7 months ago

Because having incompetent dictators in a narrative would compromise the narrative.

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dvoraqs 3 points 7 months ago

Well because readers would transfer some of that perceived competence onto Trump, so it might not be a bad enough look

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perviouslyiner 1 point 5 months ago

I feel like there is some sort of trade comparison to be made here (build up spice reserves before having to cede control of the deliberately-damaged production facilities, and then selling those reserves as the new government flounders with a broken situation) - but honestly not sure which world leader that best represents at the moment?

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