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dollop_of_cream 43 points 3 years ago

TLDR, yes and the current popularity of Reddit may be because it is actually hiding how it is not really that much of a community of people but rather a bad simulation.

My PhD was in this area of how older-style internet forums operate and touched on why they continue to hang around. Yes they absolutely (with caveats lol) have a future, but the mass appeal of the reddit style is surprising. I didn't delve into that in my work but do have an educated guess that could be explored further (hint by someone else) to explain that.

Forums require a lot of engagement and memory on the part of the people who use them. Think about how context is needed to understand any text - like how easy it is to misunderstand just what the hell the USA founders really meant in the Constitution because their world-view is mostly gone. Pick any other old document if that's a little too contentious for you.

Well, forums are the same. They require a community of people who interact with one another so that meaning can be created and maintained. Like you said, you have to read and read and read and then comment and get picked on for getting some minor lingo wrong or for breaking some taboo. Eventually, if you stick to it, you'll become a part of the "machine". Quite literally, you will be hosting the knowledge and processes that make the forum work, just in your head and not on the server. There are some decent higher-level theories that can help give a conceptual framework for this sort of thing. Post-materialism is helpful, so is technological posthumanism. A shortcut to all this is to think of the transhumanist movement in the 1990s. They thought they would upload their consciousness to the net. Well, in a twist of fate, the net has been downloaded into our minds instead. Basically, all those apps and stuff don't make sense unless you have some cultural wetware installed in your noggin and some ability to communicate with others in order to keep it constantly updated.

That's a lot of work and most people don't do it. Instead, they'll grab the simple and readily-accessible stuff. Memes, catch-phrases, "in-jokes" that aren't really "in" anymore. Basically, most of Reddit can be considered a simulacrum - a piss-poor representation of community that requires little effort to participate within. Notably though, at the same time Reddit is full of the kinds of complex and effort-laden communities that I mentioned before. It is just that they are hidden in plain sight. Anyway, gotta go, it's bedtime.

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ArtVandelay 14 points 3 years ago

I've had similar thoughts for these related topics without making the connection before.

There's the theory that humans as individuals have a limit of people they can interact with on a personal level (150 to 250). This means knowing things like "John likes carrot cake but hates lemon pies", but "Rita loves lemon pies and doesn't care for carrot cakes". Therefore, you know what to get for each, or what to joke about with each "hey John, I got you some lemon pies!", "ha ha ha! who do I look like? Rita?"

As we do not know the thousands of people on reddit/FB/Twitter/whatever, we end up using memes, quotes from shows, movies, games, books. People parrot old situations (in-jokes), such as the Unidan incident, without really knowing what went on beyond the text on our screens.

(Frankly, I'm mentally exhausted today and I'm gonna leave it at this. But I'm very interested in your view about this topic, and couldn't let it pass.)

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bownage 8 points 3 years ago

This really connects with how I've been feeling switching from reddit to beehaw the last couple of days.

I used to be very active on a game-related forum and knew most of the regulars there pretty well (esp. the other teenagers/young adults). It was a nice time.

However, now that I've gotten used to reddit over the past ~6 years, I've realised the standard level of engagement with others and the amount of attention I feel like spending on a comment or post is so much lower than it used to be back in my forum days.

I won't lie - it's been hard to find the mental capacity to write a full and engaging comment sometimes. I find myself having some thoughts on a subject and then giving up before I start writing because I'm just not used to writing that much anymore.

It's not a bad thing though! I'm glad to be spending more time on honest and engaging replies :)

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ultraHQ 5 points 3 years ago

Interesting write up, thanks for sharing !

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owl 3 points 3 years ago

That's really interesting, thanks for sharing!

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thanks for using Leebra!

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