I just want to say that I'm so happy that people are taking notice of privacy concerns in cars

3 years ago by MigratingtoLemmy to c/privacy

Mozilla released their studies, and I'm seeing a growing number of posts on the Internet about cars and the privacy nightmare they entail. I remember how this issue wasn't talked about earlier because "just buy an older car" was still prevalent. I'm so happy that people are taking notice. Thank you to this community and Mozilla for the work they are putting in!

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dingus 123 points 3 years ago

I'm basically in the position that I'm driving a car from 1999, and when it finally dies, I'll either be resigned to riding the bus or finding another aged used car without all this absolute bullshit in it.

Maybe it really is time for the Free Open Source Vehicle.

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Tau 53 points 3 years ago

Get ready for the Pine Car

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dingus 12 points 3 years ago

I mean.... I'd buy one. Already got a Pinecil.

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50MYT 34 points 3 years ago

You don't need a very old car, just one that is old enough the cellular network doesn't work any more.

Some vehicles were made for 3g, and can't go to 4g for example.

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Rodeo 5 points 3 years ago

Just put a faraday cage around the antenna.

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LinusSexTips 3 points 3 years ago

My VW has carplay / android auto but the built-in Sim no longer functions (2g).

From 2011 has most modern luxuries

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BruceLee 2 points 3 years ago

2g antenna sare still up and running. Every new generation is add on top of the previous like a new layer of the network. And telemetry can be collected through older gen network.

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Anticorp 19 points 3 years ago

Maybe it really is time for the Free Open Source Vehicle.

Sure, but what it is for certain time for is making this sort of spying and tracking illegal. If I as a private citizen tracked someone this much, it would be considered stalking, which is a criminal offense.

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scytale 18 points 3 years ago

Getting a base model can somewhat help too. My 2020 car only has carplay. No built in navigation or any remote or homing tech (that I know of). It’s the higher trims that get all the fancy tech “features”.

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Rodeo 9 points 3 years ago

Oh my god, no. No, no, no.

Just because they aren't making those features available to you doesn't mean they aren't still tracking all that stuff.

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dingus -1 points 3 years ago

I mean sort of. What is "base" has also changed.

Try finding an EV that doesn't have automatic windows but has old school manual rollup/rolldown windows. You can't, even though its more environmentally friendly.

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JohnDClay 10 points 3 years ago

I'm sure !fuck_cars@lemmy.ml would be happy to welcome you if you decided to go with buses.

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Anticorp 5 points 3 years ago

That community completely ignores reality for millions billions of people that absolutely need a car to live a life in the thousands of cities that don't have adequate public transportation and 100% of the rural areas in the world.

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Apollo2323 7 points 3 years ago

That's kinda extreme lol but I hope that companies start selling non smart cars. I don't want my car to be smart , I want my car to take me to point A and B , and be able to fix it myself.

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0110010001100010 7 points 3 years ago

I miss my old 1999 Grand Marquis. Plenty of power, stupid easy to work on, rode like a dream, no tech bullshit. Fuel mileage was pretty crappy (owing to the V8 and curb weight) but it was a solid car. I largely drive cars until the die (did with that one too) and am thinking forward I may do the same and try to find older vehicles.

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SoylentBlake 2 points 3 years ago

Man I would loooooove to find an old like 95 Regal. Totally a grandpa car, but all the freaking amenities, better cushioning than your couch, leg room, bench seat half the time, a V8 that can't dump power and you can hold like 5 half racks under the hood if you needed too (tho pls don't) there's so much room.

Not a knuckle of blood anywhere to be found.

One thing I love about older cars from Detroit, definitely not the gas mileage but I can keep my spare fluids in the engine compartment lol

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metaStatic 2 points 3 years ago

I'll probably just fix up my GS500 and run that until petrol is outlawed. Possibly the last fully mechanical motor vehicle ever sold.

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Rodeo 1 point 3 years ago

I get what you're trying to say but gas engines are inherently electrical. That's how they generate the spark.

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WtfEvenIsExistence -4 points 3 years ago
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dingus 17 points 3 years ago

My city doesn't even have bus fare. It's not like they're grabbing my biometrics when I step in. They're not trying to identify me when I walk on.

You just walk on, wait, then walk off.

It may not be the most private way of transport but it's not actively collecting data on you, which is what this is about.

EDIT: Further, it's just easier for a car to collect data on it's owner. When you buy a car, you get a Title which registers the Vehicle Identification Number to the owners name. Then, when you're driving, because you're in public you're required to have your Drivers License, Registration, Insurance, a License Plate and up-to-date Tabs all very specific identifiers that identify both the driver and the car. The cars sensors only have to identify the owner, to whom it is already registered, and so they know the data they're collecting is from one person/one family.

I've seen my cities bus budget. They have cameras on the bus for the protection of drivers but can barely afford them. They're definitely not dumping money into shit like facial recognition. I don't even need an ID to ride the bus. I can walk on with empty pockets and no one is gonna tell me I can't ride the bus without ID. If you drive without your license, you can get it taken away.

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SkyeStarfall 4 points 3 years ago

Neither does just existing in public?

That's not really the point with the car privacy issues.

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