FYI, lots of users are polling to defederate sh.itjust.works

3 years ago by HTTP_404_NotFound to c/main

It was banned on Reddit because it is racist, hatefull and spread Conspiracies. In my new community I expect the exclution of racist communities. It is easy now with defederation. Nazis can do whatever they want on their instances, but the instances I want to be part of should not amplify their shit and flush it into our timelines. The instance-admin of !thedonald@sh.itjust.works [/c/thedonald@sh.itjust.works] did not reply to my message. Big instances seem not to defederate with them. The new TD may not be a success, the point is not to give Nazis a platform like it is happening now. Fans of TD are racists. Where are the instances that show face against racism? edit: to contact the admins: @donut@sh.itjust.works @TheDude@sh.itjust.works @smorks@sh.itjust.works

Might- be worth knowing about.....

https://lemmyonline.com/comment/47545

Edit- And... (From beehaw...) https://lemmyonline.com/post/8944

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elyusi_kei 15 points 3 years ago

I don't think that users on a fledgling platform should be this gung-ho about fragmentation, but it is what it is. Lemmy is starting to feel like something I should just revisit in a year: either to postmortem another perennially niche service, or to finally "pick a side" once the chips are more settled, even though I don't particularly want to.

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TrojanHam 14 points 3 years ago

As an early Mastodon user, it went through something like this when overt Nazis (gab, et al) federated and often used misleading names for instances. The result was an immediate reaction in disgust from the vast majority of the fediverse and rampant defederations of hateful instances.

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elyusi_kei 4 points 3 years ago

As an early Mastodon once-user - mostly just to try self-hosting 4fun - that all mostly flew over my head and I'm hoping to do the same here. Though I did mostly follow Pawoo/Baraag artists, which I believe puts me on a similar side of history to said Nazis by current standards? I can't say I'm thrilled by the association but I do get it at least. At the end of the day, to me it just feels silly to get hung up on moderation policies set by people who have never met me, and whom I have never met.

And realistically, the main thing that tapered my interest in Mastodon is I have no idea how to become addicted to Twitter/Twitter-likes. 🤣 I should try again sometime, Misskey seems nice.

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hawkwind 2 points 3 years ago

Hateful instance run by hateful admin? Sure defederate it. Don’t defederate instances because they’re trying to be more open and popular.

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xtremeownage 11 points 3 years ago

If- this de-federation movement doesn't stop- what will eventually happen-

The large instances will end up defederating so much of the fediverse, that it makes more sense for them to just enable the "private" checkbox.

The end-result, is the failure of lemmy.

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elyusi_kei 3 points 3 years ago

failure

It's only a failure from certain perspectives. It happens to be my perspective too, but I can understand where others are coming from. I suppose this is one of them fancy irreconcilable differences thingies.

Personally, I suppose what mostly peeves me about these kinds of approaches is that they don't really seem like solutions. Anyone from a no-no community is still free to employ the time-honored trolling tradition that is alt-juggling for harassment campaigns. Or, I assume that's the case - if there's one thing I really hope everyone at the table can still agree on, it's that extreme privacy-invading measures for preventing alts is a step too far: there's vulnerable voices across all parts of the opinion spectrum. Anyways, because alts exist, defederation measures always felt a bit performative from my perspective. But far be it from me to judge whatever helps people sleep at night. 🤣

I want to take the explanation that this is just a stopgap while moderation tooling develops at face value, but something tells me that isn't the whole of the truth. In the end, I don't think I'll care all that much no matter how this shakes out; touching grass is really fantastic for helping maintain perspective. 👍

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mrpants -11 points 3 years ago

Yeah man, unless we allow all manner of garbage it'll fail. Yeah man.Totally.

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