British Charlie Kirk wannabe beaten up debating people in Manchester

3 days ago by 𝙈𝙞𝙖 to c/world

Young Bob said that police told him it was 'by far the most high-profile assault case they've seen'.

Young Bob Manchester assault: Three people arrested after remigration activist set upon by youths

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f1error 58 points 3 days ago

Good. These fuckwits need to be afraid, and stay afraid.

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timewarp -34 points 3 days ago

So you're a fascist?

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athatet 46 points 3 days ago

‘I don’t like fascists.’

🤓’sounds like something a fascist would say’

🎵Shuuut the fuuuuck uuuuuuuup 🎶

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timewarp -13 points 3 days ago

They are cheering for the violent suppression of speech.

You can disagree with bad ideas with better ideas. That is Democracy. But you are defending the use of physical violence to ensure people with different ideas "stay afraid." That is the exact definition of terrorism.

But yeah, go ahead and sing your little song while acting as the cheering section for literal authoritarian terrorism. I'm sure your brand of beating people into silence is the good kind and won't be used against you.

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athatet 28 points 3 days ago

Yes. They are suppressing violent speech.

I didn’t read the rest of your comment. Go apologize for fascists somewhere else.

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timewarp -11 points 3 days ago

Yes. They are suppressing violent speech.

I didn’t read the rest of your comment. Go apologize for fascists somewhere else.

Saying "I didn't read the rest of your comment" because it challenges your worldview isn't the flex you think it is; it's an admission of defeat. You can add the word "violent" in front of "speech" all you want, but words are not fists. You are cheering for physical assault against someone for talking. If you have to refuse to read opposing arguments just to protect your bubble, you don't have the moral high ground, you just have a fragile ideology.

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ximtor 13 points 3 days ago

Someone says "you (insert arbitrary outgroup) should not exist/be here" is not violent? They say it repeatedly and organize events around this to spread the mindset and you call it not violent? They should be allowed to express their opinion until it becomes tangible and problematic for said outgroup?

...naaah man, fuck that...

Also that twat called for it, wtf is wrong with those nutjobs. From the article:

As a crowd gathered behind him, he said: ‘All of you who throw water are cowards. You don’t actually want to fight for what you believe in.’ One responded: ‘I’ll fight you, b****’, before telling Moffitt to get a job.

Has quite some "guns are no problem, prove me wrong" and getting shot vibes.

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timewarp -1 points 3 days ago

They should be allowed to express their opinion until it becomes tangible and problematic for said outgroup?

Yes. Exactly. That is the fundamental basis of a free society and the legal system. The line is drawn at tangible actions and imminent threats.

You do not get to physically assault people based on hypothetical future crimes you imagine their words might lead to. Using physical violence to punish someone preemptively before anything "tangible" has actually happened isn't justice. Redefining offensive speech as "violence" is just a rhetorical cheat code you are using to grant yourself permission to throw the first punch.

Also that twat called for it... As a crowd gathered behind him, he said: "All of you who throw water are cowards."

"Fight for what you believe in" is arguably the most common idiom in all of political activism. When labor unions say "fight for your rights," or progressive activists say "fight for climate justice," they aren't asking for a literal fistfight. You know exactly what that phrase means.

Deliberately misinterpreting a standard political metaphor as an invitation to a physical brawl is the definition of arguing in bad faith.

Furthermore, throwing liquid on someone is legally physical battery. The mob had already started the physical altercation. He was calling them cowards because they were hiding in a crowd throwing things at a single person instead of actually defending their beliefs with their words.

Your entire argument boils down to intentionally twisting a common figure of speech so you can fall back on the classic abuser's defense: "Look at what he was saying, he was asking for it."

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andxz 2 points 3 days ago

He was asking for exactly what he got.

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timewarp -1 points 3 days ago

He was asking for exactly what he got.

Actually, he was entirely right about them. He accurately pointed out that they were too cowardly to do the actual, hard work required to fight for their beliefs through the democratic process.

Throwing fists from the safety of a mob is a lazy shortcut for weak people who can't win an argument. They aren't heroes defending society. They are just violent, lazy thugs who earned their jail cells.

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andxz 1 point 3 days ago

Nah, he was the one asking for a fight and when it found him he was too much of a pussy to fight.

He got exactly what he deserved.

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