‘Doom Loop’: OpenAI and Microsoft Admits LLMs Are Destroying the Web and Built on Theft

24 days ago by Tony Bark to c/technology

"Millions of people around the world will soon consider large models ‘hoovering up’ all their work to be an astonishing theft of unprecedented proportions."

Executives working on AI at Microsoft and OpenAI admitted what its critics have been saying all along: Large language models are predatory pieces of technology that have been built on what a Microsoft executive called “an astonishing theft of unprecedented proportions,” and the “largest theft of labor in human history.” An internal Microsoft document said generative AI products have created a “doom loop” that is killing “the entire web.”

Those statements and a series of other mask-off moments feature heavily in an unredacted court filing that was unsealed Thursday in the behemoth New York Times vs OpenAI copyright lawsuit that has been winding its way through the court system for years. In a filing asking for summary judgment (basically, a filing with the court asking it to rule), lawyers for the New York Times laid out a series of admissions made by Microsoft and OpenAI executives in documents and depositions that until now had remained either sealed or redacted at the request of Microsoft and OpenAI.

It’s easy to see why the AI companies wanted to hide this from the public. The statements, taken together, are some of the most damning indictments of the ways LLMs were trained, how they worked, and the immediate threat they pose to human labor. It is a reminder that even as AI becomes more powerful and companies try to shift the narrative to the supposed existential risk of “superintelligent” AI, the tools they have already built were created by stealing from human creativity and labor and are by definition existential threats to the human labor market.


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nao -2 points 24 days ago

a “doom loop” that is killing “the entire web.”

the corporate web maybe. how does it affect independent parts like the fediverse?

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industrialdeerfluff 10 points 24 days ago

Something others haven't touched on is the burden all the scrapers are putting on small websites and forums.

Lots of niche/hobbyist site runners have repeatedly talked about how the scrapers inefficiently scrape the same pages, images, and files endlessly. Until they crash the site, run them out of bandwidth, or run up their bills till they cant afford to host a site they've been running for many years before this nonsense.

All in the futile pursuit of more to dump into the machine because of the belief if they just had more data all the issues with the models would finally be solved.

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