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learning2Draw 16 points 3 years ago

Possibly failure, because setup isn't just a simple or of box plop. And i can't see how pings from 5000 microservers is better than 5000 users looking to register? But that's more of a question than an informed opinion

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lucien 4 points 3 years ago

Maybe I should clarify with "each user successfully spun up..." I'm mostly curious if the 5000 microservers trying to federate is a more sustainable access pattern than 5000 users hitting the website.

Since federation is an async process, it can be optimized on both ends in a way that user browser requests cannot.

At the same time, federation would overall result in more bandwidth being used because not every user wants to view every post in the frontend.

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NightAuthor 4 points 3 years ago

But instance federation is an async process that is happening constantly. A user on your instance may be a realtime load, its only sporatic (on a per user basis). Basically, me spinning up an instance is a constant burden on the network, but me browsing is just a temporary load on a single server.

My understandings is that the best situation is a good number of powerful machines with instances with users evenly distributed amongst them.

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NightAuthor 3 points 3 years ago

But instance federation is an async process that is happening constantly. A user on your instance may be a realtime load, its only sporatic (on a per user basis). Basically, me spinning up an instance is a constant burden on the network, but me browsing is just a temporary load on a single server.

My understandings is that the best situation is a good number of powerful machines with instances with users evenly distributed amongst them.

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rysiek 2 points 3 years ago

Maybe I should clarify with “each user successfully spun up…” I’m mostly curious if the 5000 microservers trying to federate is a more sustainable access pattern than 5000 users hitting the website.

Sustainable in what sense?

It's way more sustainable in the sense of "one website is not controlling the entirety of the experience of a given type of service for 5000 users", for example. I think it's important to talk about specific kinds of sustainability, and specific threats to it.

Things to consider (apart from bandwidth-related considerations):

  • technical knowledge necessary to safely and securely run and maintain a service
  • space, time, and resources (including financial) to do so
  • ability, willingness, and energy to moderate a service (this is where Big Tech platforms are falling flat on their faces, for example, and where smaller fedi communities work pretty damn well)
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manitcor 3 points 3 years ago

that ansible book works great, its just a bash script away from regular user DiY.

I've watched people who never used a computer install blockchain nodes and miners (including the networks). If someone wants to do it, they WILL figure it out.

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learning2Draw 1 point 3 years ago

Sure I'm not saying they won't I'm saying there's not that many people who 'want' to beyond the effort of clicking install

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SSUPII 1 point 3 years ago

You also have to account another type of "ping" if a user lives in a cave 300 meters deep under sea level

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thanks for using Leebra!

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