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godless 14 points 3 years ago

The date of the upload doesn't matter. What matters is the bitrate given.

9 197 kb/s vs. 11.3 Mb/s means that the FLUX release is packing >20% more image data into the file, so the picture will look crisper, contains more visual information, and is less compressed in general.

Depending on your display you might not actually notice the difference, but on a good, large HD panel you will be able to spot differences here and there, particularly when it comes to fast change of scenes, swift light/dark changes, and rapid movements.

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blixo 4 points 3 years ago

That makes sense and helps to conceptualize the impact of the bitrate difference. I guess I was under the impression that bitrate would be set at the source and not by the release group, but seems I may have been wrong in that assumption. Thanks for the info!

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godless 2 points 3 years ago

The source defines the bitrate at which it is streaming, which sets the theoretical maximum. The release group then decides if and how much they want to compress the file.

Theoretical maximum because the release group could go above spec, but that wouldn't add any benefits.

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mammut 2 points 3 years ago
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mammut 2 points 3 years ago
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chftyrol 7 points 3 years ago

Hi, the difference in size you are seeing is because of the different video bitrates. The Ntb one has a slightly lower bitrate, so for videos that are about the same duration, this translates to a lighter file.

Whether or not you could perceive the difference amounts to your sensibility and experience with this kind of things as well as to your monitor.

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blixo 1 point 3 years ago

Gotcha. Any idea why the bitrate would be different on a WEB-DL from the same source? I figured bitrate would remain the same if the file is being downloaded and DRM stripped, with all else (source, resolution, etc...) remaining equal.

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lodion 6 points 3 years ago

Streaming providers are known to have different bitrates in different regions.

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blixo 1 point 3 years ago

Oh, good call. I didn't even consider that!

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webjukebox 3 points 3 years ago

(1) 1080p.AMZN.WEB-DL.DDP2.0.H.264-NTb

FileSize…: 2.80 GiB Video…: High@L4 | 1920x1080 @ 9 197 kb/s

(2) 1080p.AMZN.WEB-DL.DDP.2.0.H.264-FLUX

FileSize…: 3.47 GiB Video…: High@L4 | 1920x1080 @ 11.3 Mb/s

Bitrate, every group use different encode.

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blixo 2 points 3 years ago

Ohh, I didn't realize the release groups would set the bitrate. I figured that was set at the source. But that makes sense. Thanks for helping to clear this up! I was at a loss trying to connect the dots on the size differential here.

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webjukebox 3 points 3 years ago

Different groups specialize in different target audiences. Some seek the highest quality, others want not to exceed a certain number of gigabytes, etc.

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blixo 1 point 3 years ago

Thanks for the reply and the link! I agree, based on everything I'm learning in this thread, seems like the FLUX version is the way to go for the added bitrate.

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frank 2 points 3 years ago

My guess is the source file is the same sorce file, but some groups process the file to cut down the file size.

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Monomate 9 points 3 years ago

If there's some re-encoding, would the file still be considerd "WEB-DL" at this point?

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veroxii 1 point 3 years ago

Wouldn't the raw unaltered stream be a webrip rather than a web dl?

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Monomate 1 point 3 years ago

"Rip" implies re-enconding. Web-DL is the exact video stream as it is transmited, without any further re-encondings by the release group. Unless I'm wrong...?

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blixo 1 point 3 years ago

Process, meaning like encode? Or can it be processed in other ways that doesn't alter the quality?

I noticed that the smaller file is longer, interestingly enough. So there does appear to be some level of trimming I'm assuming, but I wouldn't have expected the longer file to be the smaller one.

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Jimmy 2 points 3 years ago
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blixo 1 point 3 years ago

Hi - just curious if you were able to look at the release notes for these releases (the NTb and FLUX ones) and whether or not you found out anything. If not, no worries, but I thought I'd check in.

Also, I'm particularly interested because I noticed that the FLUX version has a season REPACK out there where the REPACK size is similar to the NTb file size, which makes me all the more curious about the original FLUX versions with the increased file size / bitrate (and whether that means better quality or not in this instance).

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Jimmy 2 points 3 years ago
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blixo 1 point 3 years ago

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