Finally a nice Twitter alternative..

3 years ago by noah to c/memes

kadu 247 points 3 years ago

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Quill7513 220 points 3 years ago

Also, are we all going to pretend that Meta isn't just Facebook, the company that sold all our data to Cambridge Analytica for a quick buck, a company who then used that data to direct target right leaning moderate, pump them full of anxiety and fear, and turn them into Trump devotees? A company that then later didn't store that data properly and leaked it, allowing thousands of identities to be stolen (including mine)? Meta / Facebook / Instagram are not good actors on the internet and we should be doing more to sully their name

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the_artic_one 74 points 3 years ago

Not saying that Facebook/Meta aren't terrible but this is a misunderstanding of what happened with Cambridge Analytica.

Facebook didn't sell anything to Cambridge Analyitica. Their API at the time allowed CA to gather information about you and all of your friends when you took one of their free personality quizzes (during the era when 90% of Facebook was people sharing personality quizzes).

When Facebook found out what CA had done, they fixed their API to prevent it from happening again (not because they cared about user privacy but because CA got a bunch of information from them that they could use to target advertisements on their own without paying FB to run ads) and covered it up so their users wouldn't know how massively negligent they had been with their data.

So it's not that Facebook was wantonly selling you data to shady characters so much as they were carelessly leaking your data to any shady characters who happened by.

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Sanctus 30 points 3 years ago

It may just be me but I feel like that is even worse. Because who knows who got a hold of it now.

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Grant 38 points 3 years ago

Don't forget that the groups they targeted were as small as 10 people. Facebook is the reason our world is a shit as it is now. Fuck meta. Fuck Facebook. Fuck all of them. I despise them with deeper hatred than 99.99% of the things I have ever known

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psilocybin 22 points 3 years ago

Don't forget that they paid teens to (unbeknownst to them) install a vpn and collect all their data, including message content

They also used a hacky mechanism bc they knew they were breaking the app store rules

Facebook / Meta / the instagram owner is evil as fuck

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electronicoldman 20 points 3 years ago

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SevFTW 1 point 3 years ago

Well, we aren't. But if you mean "we" as in "humans". Then yes, we've already forgotten and we don't care anymore if you remind us. You're being a paranoid nerd, I don't get all this techy crap, and I'm sure Mark has learned his lesson or at the very least the government will do something.

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Quill7513 24 points 3 years ago

I do mean "we" as in "humans." I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you think Mark Zuckerberg is going to pivot permanently away from the most profitable set of activities his company ever engaged in.

You're based on a Germany focused instance, I see. You're probably more safe from the kinds of things Facebook gets up to than we are on our side of the Atlantic. Over here, Facebook paid $100,000,000 in fines for their behavior. This was 3.3% of the original fine. No regulatory changes were made. It's unknown how much money Facebook made from data brokering with Cambridge Analytica, but they sold the data of 87 million users. Disturbingly, the number of users Facebook who directly participated in the app used to siphon this data was around 270,000. In other words, Facebook didn't even need people to interact with Facebook directly to collect information about people, since they were using network connection information to build profiles about people.

THIS is my concern about why they're so hot to get on the Fediverse right now. They don't want a huge number of users to sign up for Threads. If numerous users do, that would help them greatly with what they do want, though. They want insight into the greater distributed network of the Fediverse. They want to collect information about Mastodon, Pelorma, Friendica, Calckey, Miskey, BookWyrm, KBin, and Lemmy users who interact with users on Threads.

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kambusha 2 points 3 years ago

I'm not sure how much this will affect Meta etc., but it seems like the US gov is looking into data brokers at least: https://www.kanary.com/...

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SevFTW 1 point 3 years ago

Oops I forgot my le epic reddit /s

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Grant 10 points 3 years ago

Mark hasn't learned his lesson because look at the data they are trying to collect. He's trying to collect so much data that it has become a meme. Do you realize how much information can be captured by using that new Twitter replacement? It seems like you just plugged your ears, screamed "Lalalalala", then buried your head in the ground
"He learned his lesson" was also used by a senator to justify trump and he then led a coup against the US government. The rich don't learn lessons, they get slaps on the wrist. Nothing has changed from 2016 when this all went down.
The government will NOT do anything because they are lobbied by ISP providers. There's no reason for them to make any changes because they are making bank as is. We peasants don't pose any risk and we certainly aren't making the elected officials millionaires so why should they listen to us?

I wrote my senior paper at university on data collection and facebooks role in all that. You are so off base with your comment, it's sad. That "paranoid nerd" you just shit on is entirely right and you sound like a reductionist oaf

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ZERO16LIVES 6 points 3 years ago

I think the comment you replied to needed a /s

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jplexer 5 points 3 years ago

Well I guess this is because it is called "Threads, an Instagram app"

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bencreighton 2 points 3 years ago

Fewer users.

And yes.

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Steeve 2 points 3 years ago

No, they've already said it'll be connected to Instagram and allow you to push updates to your Instagram followers

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palebluedot 106 points 3 years ago

Honestly, it's scary. For people that are unaware, there's an amazing resource on privacy-respecting alternatives to popular services and softwares: https://www.privacyguides.org. They are also on Lemmy if you have any question.

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OtakuAltair 75 points 3 years ago

Mastodon is already pretty active, and is also part of the fediverse

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ElPussyKangaroo 24 points 3 years ago

The unfortunate reality is that unlike us, most of the Twitter users could not care less about making choices, let alone privacy. Twitfaces can't calm down and talk without going ballistic and you think they'll willingly look into what federated social media is?

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OtakuAltair 10 points 3 years ago

Alot of them are moving though thanks to twitter repeatedly fucking up, I've been seeing some artists and such on mastodon recently that were only on twitter before.

People just need to spread the word; there isn't a marketing campaign or anything for the fediverse after all.

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acrxhd 9 points 3 years ago

We are the marketing campaign.

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c0mbatbag3l 2 points 3 years ago

"If you can hear this... You ARE the resistance."

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Faresh 70 points 3 years ago

Mastodon is the federated equivalent of twitter the same way lemmy can be considered the federated alternative of reddit. That's the nice Twitter alternative you are looking for.

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cavemeat 19 points 3 years ago

This is what I've been telling everyone. Don't go to threads, go to mastodon.

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Deed 6 points 3 years ago

This would be great but most people will not care and sacrifice data for convinence. Wish the government cared as much about us big tech as they did TikTok.

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Marxine 3 points 3 years ago

They only attacked TikTok because it's Chinese, though. Their own data thieves are OK cause they're buddies.

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Deed 2 points 3 years ago

Of course. That's my point. All big tech needs to be held to that standard but it doesn't.

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dumpsterlid 1 point 3 years ago

Also calckey is pretty cool too

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Dardlem 1 point 3 years ago

Is there a way to see recent popular posts? That’s like the only thing missing for me.

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NightAuthor 3 points 3 years ago

No, mastodon is for following people or specific communities… it is specifically NOT for listening to or speaking to the whole world.

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Dardlem 1 point 3 years ago

Not that you’ve said that, it makes perfect sense for me why mastodon is the way it is.

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GregorGizeh -3 points 3 years ago

Ive been using wefwef since the loss of Apollo / reddit, it works pretty well and allows to sort posts or comments accordingly. If you want to see what’s going on right now you can go to your all feed and set it to the most recent posts. Also has a bunch of other sorting options. Like hot and active.

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Dardlem 1 point 3 years ago

Sounds interesting. I’ll definitely check out if they come up with an app for iOS in the future.

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Marxine 1 point 3 years ago

WefWef is an web app, you can already install it on iOS through the browser.

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IHateRedditAndSpez 68 points 3 years ago

"Instagram owner" just say Meta lol

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c0mbatbag3l 28 points 3 years ago

We all know it's the Zucc, you don't gotta lie of omission to kick it.

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athlon 62 points 3 years ago

Facebook makes a product that squeezes every last drop from your privacy? Nooooooo waaaay!

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MystikIncarnate 16 points 3 years ago

Ahem. They're called Meta.

But seriously, fuck anything Zuckerberg owns.

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RoosterBoy 7 points 3 years ago

I don't care what they all themselves, they are always going to be Facebook.

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radioactiveradio 5 points 3 years ago

They gave up on the metaverse already so I don't think that name fits anymore.

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Salvo 1 point 3 years ago

I would love to use it as a conduit to drag those I love out of the Facebook/Instagram microcosms.

Adam Mosseri appears to be embracing the idea of Open Federation for Threads; https://www.threads.net/t/CuRtcYTNY3J

“ If you’re wondering why this matters, here’s a reason: you may one day end up leaving Threads, or, hopefully not, end up de-platformed. If that ever happens, you should be able to take your audience with you to another server. Being open can enable that.”

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Falafels 1 point 3 years ago

As long as Meta hasn't Embraced, Extended and Exterminated the fediverse by that point.

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SaltyIceteaMaker 62 points 3 years ago

installs app

Declines everything

"To use the app You need to allow-"

Uninstalls app

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JesusTheCarpenter 61 points 3 years ago

This post is Meta.

On a serious note, can we appreciate Meta's marketing team for the timing of this announcement. They waited for Twitter to bleed to kick it in the shins.

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quicken 4 points 3 years ago

🥁 ba-dum-tss

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BackStabbath 1 point 3 years ago

Yeah, the timing was on point

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tentphone 59 points 3 years ago

Why the first reaction frame? Instagram is owned by Meta, of course they're going to have incredibly invasive data collection policies.

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noah 14 points 3 years ago

I expected some data collection but to be honest, have not expected as much (especially location etc., although this can be partly deactivated). But maybe I was too trusting in this case 😅

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aluminium 56 points 3 years ago

you lost me at "Instagram"

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phorq 18 points 3 years ago

That's impossible, Instagram already knows your gps coordinates...

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S147 39 points 3 years ago

Great, another Meta privacy brea... I mean service I can stay away from.

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tappyturtle 18 points 3 years ago

No no, you were right the first time

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doomkernel 37 points 3 years ago

Yeah.. Meta the owner of Facebook/Instagram/WhatsApp wants to collect data from you? Shocker

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EcstaticHumility 34 points 3 years ago

Mastodon is a viable option, but then again, this app does some basic automatic account creation from existing FB data and follow people from it. This alone will impress some non-tech journalist and praise it. We have become too lazy to get out of the burning house and save our life.

I wonder if any of that break some GPDR or California Data laws.

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Raildrake 3 points 3 years ago

And people will join on there and it will have more success than better alternatives probably, at least for now. It's mindblowing how little people care/understand.

And it's not even like Meta offers any good service, FB has been crap forever.

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EcstaticHumility 3 points 3 years ago

I think most of the world has bought into the marketing lies of big tech, where they claim to be secure and private. Caring for their users. I was one of those people, until one day I asked a simple question, "what are these companies doing to actually protect me?" Nothing. rather I have made myself more vulnerable by being on a platform that uses my information at scale. They are doing everything to protect themselves from law suits and to keep racking in money over decades old dream of marketing based on large amount of personal data gathering. Ad money is drying up this year, high interest rate and all that. I wonder what impact that will have on these platforms.

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NoPolToday 25 points 3 years ago

This is so egregiously excessive that Threads can't launch in the EU (https://m.independent.ie/...)

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Ab_intra 18 points 3 years ago

Is anyone really supprised?

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stebo02 13 points 3 years ago

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Ab_intra 2 points 3 years ago

They want to collect all sizes not just peepees!
But tbh they are doing this on twitter... There is not really any big difference, the only difference being is that people complain about this now.

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stebo02 3 points 3 years ago

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Ab_intra 1 point 3 years ago

Well it kinda makes sense that people will move to the bigger platform's.. But I hope the open source ones gets more traction. I'm noticing that I use less reddit now.. And when Relay stops working I might migrate fully.

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Vilian 16 points 3 years ago

twitter alternative, is mastodon, everything else is companies trying to cache with fediverse

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s_v 16 points 3 years ago

Just no.

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Jackolantern 16 points 3 years ago

Yeah I don’t get why they need all these permissions. Crazy

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luckystarr 30 points 3 years ago

Because they want it. It's the main reason why they've built the app.

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IHateRedditAndSpez 8 points 3 years ago

for targeted ads I guess

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Grant_M 15 points 3 years ago

Looks to me that Zuck is trying to compete with Truth Social -- no way this garbage will be Federated.

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Quills 13 points 3 years ago

At least we have all the fediverse micro-blogging section

And here!

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projectmoon 12 points 3 years ago

Is this the alleged decentralized/federated Twitter app that Facebook has been working on?

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csigma 7 points 3 years ago

Yup, but it's not even integrated with ActivityPub yet

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projectmoon 4 points 3 years ago

I read that it wouldn't be federated to begin with. Which is weird, because then it's just another silo...

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NightAuthor 1 point 3 years ago

I really liked that show, Silo. I think I’m gonna read the books

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electronicoldman 9 points 3 years ago

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noah 8 points 3 years ago

Yep you're right, and they shut it down: https://techcrunch.com/...

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andarwaid 7 points 3 years ago

Even tho the meme is using "disappointed black guy", I wouldn't be surprised or disappointed actually.

It's meta, what else can someone expect from them?

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csolisr 7 points 3 years ago

The ONLY good thing about the existence of Threads is that I'll finally be able to follow people from Instagram without actually having to use Instagram. Otherwise it's the largest honeypot of the entire Fediverse

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makr_alland 2 points 3 years ago

I seriously doubt you'll be able to see Instagram content from any other app. At most, they'll federate Threads content. But more probably they'll only federate inwards: Threads users will be able to follow anyone on the Fediverse, no one outside will get to see anything from inside.

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rizoid 6 points 3 years ago

My big hope from this is that people might learn more about federated content and the fediverse in general. Then they can move away from stuff meta makes into the actual private internet.

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scrubbles 5 points 3 years ago

I'm reeeeeal cautious about it. There's a Dr. Strange level of one positive ending, and that's where users log into FB's not twitter, discover a ton of content on mastadon and lemmy, subscribe, and then when they eventually try to sever the connection (when, not if), most of the content is over here and people want to switch.

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sim642 6 points 3 years ago

As of Twitter doesn't collect your data...

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nyawow 4 points 3 years ago

While I want to support decentralized approach, tbh at this point anything with correct moderation can be better than Twitter lol

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imjonas 4 points 3 years ago

It’s like this for every major mainstream social media app

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muffin 3 points 3 years ago

All social media are same lol

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tourist 2 points 3 years ago

I don't know if it this new service will be able to read posts from Lemmy or not, but I've already blocked this monstrosity just in case.

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dr_dour 1 point 3 years ago

Eh... All the data is already with meta through Instagram, it's users is the target here. I'm sure most of Instagram users aren't complaining that much about collection of data. As long as this kills twitter I'm happy. Who knows it might point the rest of the users towards eventual decentralisation.

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synth -1 points 3 years ago

Twitter collects just about as much data

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