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3 years ago by iso to c/memes

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Donationware: you must donate to use it. Not like regular optional donates.

Rustmilian 76 points 3 years ago

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MissJinx 18 points 3 years ago

I paid for "premium" boost fpr lemmy and it was 100% worth it. I didn't had too but having lemmy on boost made me forget about reddit.

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Rustmilian 18 points 3 years ago

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M137 -8 points 3 years ago

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Son_of_dad 57 points 3 years ago

One of my favorite programs was acting up, so I went to reinstall. Turned out this program that has been free for a decade, now wants $29 a month, to let me pirate movies. Da fuck? What a way to shit the bed, to offer the same free program but charge for it out of nowhere

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general_kitten 77 points 3 years ago

If anyone actually pays $29 a month to watch movies illegally modern streaming services have truly reached a new low

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Son_of_dad 11 points 3 years ago

Yeah it's was bittorrent. they went with a paid, tiered model now. They want me to pay to use a torrent client to pirate stuff, it's ridiculous

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CurbsTickle 30 points 3 years ago

Unable to delete so editing instead. Leaving Lemmy.world due to privacy concerns.

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Son_of_dad 11 points 3 years ago

I had no idea as I've been using it for years and it was just there. I switched to q

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agressivelyPassive 9 points 3 years ago

I mean, that's cheaper than having three or four subscriptions to cover at least the basic catalog.

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unreasonabro 7 points 3 years ago

now whatever you do, don't steal it

also doublecheck you aren't on a scam site or that the product hasn't forked ;)

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FreudianCafe 3 points 3 years ago

Stremio

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foggy 47 points 3 years ago

Just about every instance of this, you can donate $0...

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Rustmilian 14 points 3 years ago

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Kusimulkku 1 point 3 years ago

Annoying that I have to do that

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Empricorn 1 point 3 years ago

Sure. But the default is very powerful. They've proven they can literally get kids to eat healthier by where they place the vegetables in a school lunch queue.

In this case, if people who can afford it choose to pay for software, and the developers are supported... what's the harm (besides the annoyance)?

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Kusimulkku 1 point 3 years ago

It's the same reasoning that is used for having there being a set tip amount. And I hate that too. I guess no harm other than annoyance though.

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Lennard 47 points 3 years ago

I think pay what you can/want is a great concept, but calling it donation is kinda misleading

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frezik 36 points 3 years ago

Escortware. You're not paying for the software, you're paying for the time you're using the software.

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octopus_ink 21 points 3 years ago

Isn't that essentially software as a service?

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NegativeInf 29 points 3 years ago

Arrest creative cloud for prostitution. All those people are paying to get fucked.

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octopus_ink 6 points 3 years ago

chef's kiss

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TheRealKuni 2 points 3 years ago

Mostly I’m just paying to not have to learn GIMP. 😅

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ignotum 3 points 3 years ago

That's why i declined a free photoshop license and some cad software license when i was a student, and instead went straight to learning Gimp and FreeCAD

Once you know one tool it's hard to switch

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maggio 28 points 3 years ago

Any real-life example of anyone doing this?

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player2 9 points 3 years ago

FairEmail is a privacy oriented email app on fdroid which uses donation to activate pro features. €0.10 to activate one time and €7.50 for unlimited future devices. I think it's a pretty fair deal.
https://email.faircode.eu/donate/

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dev_null 40 points 3 years ago

It's a fair deal, but the point is it's not a donation. You can purchase pro features, and that's great. But it's not a donation if you get a product in return, that's just a purchase.

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THE_MASTERMIND 4 points 3 years ago

And op asked for real life examples and that is what this person is answering to

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Kusimulkku 2 points 3 years ago

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conti473 3 points 3 years ago

You can use it for free, you just need to donate to get rid of the banner and to get all features.

The bare functionality is in fact free

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dev_null 7 points 3 years ago

I'm not disputing that. I'm just finding it silly to call purchases donations.

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Kusimulkku 3 points 3 years ago

That's not a donation, that's just a purchase

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Funkytom467 6 points 3 years ago

Voicemeeter did that too.

But honestly i don't really see what's wrong. There's a base donation for the price of the software but it just give the option to support the dev if you want...

I mean most things that rely on donation like that are just cheap indie software (I think voicemeeter was $5)

I'd take that over the awful and greedy subscriptions that cost an arm like adobe or Microsoft.

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MonkderZweite 5 points 3 years ago

afwall+

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TimeNaan 4 points 3 years ago

Screenskraper but they have to pay server costs so it makes sense.

OCCT for some fucking reason, where it doesn't.

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twei 3 points 3 years ago

OCCT doesn't require you to purchase it for personal use (although you will get a 10sec timer before you can start a benchmark/stability test), which is why i think it doesn't count as "donationware"

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TimeNaan 7 points 3 years ago

Maybe nagware would be a better label. Like winrar.

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XEAL 3 points 3 years ago

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gedaliyah 10 points 3 years ago

Maybe it's regional, but the webpage doesn't say anything about a donation. It uses language like "store," "purchase" and "subscription."

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mariusafa -2 points 3 years ago

It's free software. You can charge money for distribution of free software but if the user does then he has the right to have acces to the source code forever no restrictions. And that user is free to distribute copies of the software as he wishes.

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Rustmilian 5 points 3 years ago

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mariusafa -2 points 3 years ago

You can change for software distribution (binaries).Directly from gpl site...:

Does the GPL allow me to sell copies of the program for money? (#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney)

Yes, the GPL allows everyone to do this. The right to sell copies is part of the definition of free software. Except in one special situation, there is no limit on what price you can charge. (The one exception is the required written offer to provide source code that must accompany binary-only release.)

Does the GPL allow me to charge a fee for downloading the program from my distribution site? (#DoesTheGPLAllowDownloadFee)

Yes. You can charge any fee you wish for distributing a copy of the program. Under GPLv2, if you distribute binaries by download, you must provide “equivalent access” to download the source—therefore, the fee to download source may not be greater than the fee to download the binary. If the binaries being distributed are licensed under the GPLv3, then you must offer equivalent access to the source code in the same way through the same place at no further charge.

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TimeNaan 2 points 3 years ago

So would that mean that torrenting parted magic is legal?

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lightnegative 3 points 3 years ago

Yes? You can also torrent your favourite Linux distros. Torrenting is not illegal; distributing pirated content is

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mariusafa 2 points 3 years ago

If the source code is free software you are free to share it if you have a copy of it.

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kambusha 3 points 3 years ago

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iso 1 point 3 years ago

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DarkIrata 1 point 3 years ago

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KeefChief13 -1 points 3 years ago

Mynoise.com allows you to do a 1 time donation of 1$ to unlock all the sounds. You then just need the email you donated with.

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Rustmilian 1 point 3 years ago

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ThatWeirdGuy1001 27 points 3 years ago

I find it funny how the word retard has become a slur but the implication that something is retarded is still acceptable

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grue 13 points 3 years ago

Turns out there's a difference between insulting a person and disparaging an inanimate thing.

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ThatWeirdGuy1001 5 points 3 years ago

Do y'all remember Wanda Sykes doing commercials about stuff being called gay and how it was offensive?

This is basically the same thing but with retard instead of gay.

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Mongostein 1 point 3 years ago

No, can you link if?

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ThatWeirdGuy1001 1 point 3 years ago

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flicker 11 points 3 years ago

I don't like either and have been mobbed over my opinion, despite being a caregiver for adults with intellectual and developmental disabilities.

One of the reasons I speak up as a caregiver is I have known ASD 1 people who admitted that it bothers them that people use that term, but they feel like they can't make the argument themselves. Because they're disabled.

Out of touch assholes are the only ones still dug in over this.

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ThatWeirdGuy1001 7 points 3 years ago

I mean I'm autistic and adhd. I've been called retarded pretty much my whole life. To me it's like the nword at this point. The only difference is I'm not black so I'm not gonna be throwing that around.

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flicker 6 points 3 years ago

I'm pretty sure you were downvoted by someone angry that you referenced the nword, even though you were literally equating the use of the word as a slur to your own experience. Which is a bummer, because as a neurologically atypical person, it can be difficult even to speak out to address your own lived experience, and can also be difficult to know what to say to have neurologically typical people grasp what you're trying to express.

Which demonstrates why I bitch about people using the word "retarded" as an insult. When people with that lived experience do speak up, sometimes it can be difficult to make the point you're making in a way the greater population understands and BAM! Now you've pissed off everyone!

It's so ridiculous to me that there are people out there so proud, so attached to the words they use as insults that having someone else say, "You might be hurting someone other than the person you intend with that word, could you maybe pick another one?" outrages them.

And, let me just say, if you're too dim-witted to think up a better, more appropriate insult, you might be as stupid as the people you're trying to insult.

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malle_yeno 7 points 3 years ago

I'm sorry that you've been mobbed for sharing this view. That's shitty.

I feel like ableism, especially against people with intellectual and personality disability, is the one sphere where nobody seems to take the objections of the targeted group seriously, and simultaneously dismiss people speaking up for the targeted group for being "virtue signalers" or as whiners. So it's like the only solution is to just not say anything.

(Tangential but I have similar feelings about people calling others narcissists and attacking them for it, though I don't feel like that is going to change anytime soon. Still, if the person targeted is actually a narcissist, then I feel like it's bad to attack them for a diagnosis and symptoms they have no control over. And if they aren't actually a narcissist, then why further stigmatize people with narcissism? It's more complicated than the r-slur since abuse by narcissists happens and victims shouldn't feel restricted from sharing their experiences accurately, but similar in how it's disproportionately used to disparage and nobody takes objections to that usage seriously.)

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flicker 4 points 3 years ago

I agree completely with your entire reply. Thanks for stopping by to share it!

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Pringles 2 points 3 years ago

I say it every now and then, but only for normally abled people acting like idiots. Is that an acceptable use?

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flicker 5 points 3 years ago

The problem is, you're using someone else's diagnosis as an insult. That's the part that sucks.

Luckily we've been able to phase out most of the people who still have "mental retardation" as their diagnosis. The disappointing thing is we still have (mostly older) people who will never be reclassified.

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RoosterBoy 2 points 3 years ago

As long as you get offended over the use of the word, you are giving that word power. Do what the LGBTQ community did and defang words like "f*g" and "qu##r"

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tubaruco 2 points 3 years ago

i guess the problem comes from the term instead of its meaning, even if that makes no sense

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TheDarksteel94 1 point 3 years ago

I think people who say it's a slur are retarded /s

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Pantherina 24 points 3 years ago

You can literally donate 1ct. I have no idea how people can complain when developers want money for their work.

The "Linux community" is 80% users that dont contribute, 10% "powerusers" that still dont contribute, 5% people that help with nondevelopment work (bug reporting, community support, etc.) and 5% actual developers.

(Completely rough estimation)

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iso 3 points 3 years ago

I have no problem with "pay what you can". I just hate "you must donate X amount to use this software". If I need to donate, then it is not a donate. It is payment.

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Pantherina 2 points 3 years ago

Never had this but yeah maybe. "Pay for binaries" is still free software though

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foggy 15 points 3 years ago

I hear you. I think it's just exceedingly rare. Not saying it doesn't exist, I just think giving it a name is a little strange given how unbelievably rare it is. But, you got to start somewhere! So, I digress. I guess, here it is. 🤷‍♂️

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jol 4 points 3 years ago

It's the humble bundle model.

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Muscle_Meteor 15 points 3 years ago

Randsomeware

You must pay to use your own software

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JustJack23 12 points 3 years ago

Where the fuck did you get this definition from?

If I remember correctly vim is charityware and is entirely free, I only found out about the charity part on accident.

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iso 7 points 3 years ago

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JustJack23 10 points 3 years ago

I agree this is bullshit, especially the donation for activation code.

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mexicancartel 4 points 3 years ago

Thats just paid sortware with extra name

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fine_sandy_bottom 1 point 3 years ago

Well yeah, I don't really see the problem with that though.

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Asudox 4 points 3 years ago

Who needs to get definitions from other sources when you can make your own definitions?

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Doods 12 points 3 years ago

English people on their way to ruin the meaning of every word.

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leamaya 11 points 3 years ago

There is also software that you could compile from source yourself but the binaries are locked behind a donation. Are those also donationware?

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altima_neo 5 points 3 years ago

Theres also software you can download for free, but you gotta pay for the password to unlock the rar file...

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AVincentInSpace 3 points 3 years ago

pls answer I need to know if I can use aseprite without disappointing daddy stallman

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Bene7rddso 5 points 3 years ago

Paid software is completely fine with RMS as long as the source is available to the users (not even to everyone) as long as you can freely redistribute the source (like RHEL before they enshittified)

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.en.html

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unreasonabro 10 points 3 years ago

In English, the correct meaning of words is always optional. The language is fluid, literally anything can be a euphemism; idk if that's also the case in other languages but it regularly trips up even native speakers.

Even so, even with that much flexibility built into the language, this is still just malignant, cynical, toxic lying of the worst sort.

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morrowind 4 points 3 years ago

What like itch.io? Hard disagree

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butter 9 points 3 years ago

Itch is free, with optional donations.

Donationware is "Please donate to continue"

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Rustmilian 2 points 3 years ago

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morrowind 1 point 3 years ago

You can set a donation minimum in itch

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kautau 4 points 3 years ago

I think they’re referring to software that has like donate indicators/prompts in the app, or features blocked behind “donation.”

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iso 3 points 3 years ago

yes, those.

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Rustmilian 1 point 3 years ago

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steventrouble 1 point 3 years ago

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SomethingBurger 5 points 3 years ago

It's charityware.

See :help iccf

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BassaForte 3 points 3 years ago

No? I've never had to donate to use vim.

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steventrouble 1 point 3 years ago

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iso 3 points 3 years ago

For it to be donationware, you must not be able to use it without donating.

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steventrouble 1 point 3 years ago

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toastal 1 point 3 years ago

I dunno this lacks nuance… I think this could easily be referring to different economic situations. The concept of donation usually has this implication of not being a for-profit entity or for a indie developer’s side project. These kinds of apps usually are still either open source or source available which is different than closed, proprietary applications. With this focus on money, I would assume that “free” is meaning gratis where users can often be the product & while the source is not available …or some VC-funded product where they are loss-leading a free tier now just eventually charge everyone later which is hardly good, with a dash of open washing to taste.

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Pantherina 1 point 3 years ago

Free beer: dont pay and still get software

Free speech: get software you can trust, be sure there are no active backdoors etc.

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toastal 2 points 3 years ago

Gratis vs. Libre

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xlash123 0 points 3 years ago

Now what about software that pays you to use it?

Oh no, I just described cryptocurrency.

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milicent_bystandr 2 points 3 years ago

And bloatware. (Kind of. I understand it subsidises the cost of your device/software.)

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