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chay 44 points 3 years ago

There's a risk [...] that Zelenskiy will be forced into negotiations

Oh well, quite mask off

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lav 33 points 3 years ago

don't you get it? how can we establish democratic peace if we don't bomb those russians and take over their land? You can't be kind and talk it out, especially against these russians. Now I understand civilians are involved. But then, why did they vote for Putsin? They aren't so different from the government, and if they hate it so much, just get out of there. not that difficult. why are people talking about international peace relations as if it can be achieved? Violence is inherent in us. It is a human trait. Didn't international peace cause Stalin and Nazi Germany to kill 10 trillion people? People should take this more seriously and keep emotions off politics. For fucks sake.

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absentthereaper 25 points 3 years ago

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misterslime12 8 points 3 years ago

If history ever ends before heat death, something has gone horribly wrong.

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cayde6ml 8 points 3 years ago

Under communism there is a big red shiny button with a hammer and sickle on it that we just press to prevent heat death of the cosmos. Everything outside of our bubble reboots.

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Otoyana -19 points 3 years ago

how can we establish democratic peace if we don't bomb those russians and take over their land?

Barely anybody says that besides some uninteresting figures mentioning a ridiculous idea of balkanizing Russia... (Balkanize my balls).

But then, why did they vote for Putsin?

Putin isn't a legitimate leader who got honest public's vote. In reality most of Russians who are dependent to governmental institutions are forced to participate in the electoral apparatus for statistics' sake only. People just have to show up. There's various cases of fully discovered falsifications, independent spectatorship isn't allowed. The whole process is just shady, especially after "online vote" has been established, which has pretty non-trasperent protocol.

They aren't so different from the government, and if they hate it so much, just get out of there. not that difficult.

Unironically this, since the summer of 2021 Zelensky has been pushing for proper face-to-face negotiations with Vladimir Putin personally and was... Geopolitically ghosted. Zelensky was ready to make Pashinyan at the start of the war and basically... Give up Crimean region. Seeing all of the tactical and local failures of Russian military made it obvious that they weren't planning for long-term, full-scale attrition war that required full involvement and genuine contributions from society.

Why are people talking about international peace relations as if it can be achieved?

Modern humanity established certain systems throughout these two decades, despite all of the internal contradictions of modern governments' development and longing for full-scale mobilized and militarized societies, we created mostly consistent precedents of geopolitical relations... Yes, they're hypocritical, yes, they're not fair and they left an irrational policeman with a huge propane baton in charge of our globalized economy, but at least they prevent consistent genocides, long-term attrition wars amongst European nations.

Didn't international peace cause Stalin and Nazi Germany to kill 10 trillion people?

Entirely backwards, Stalin and Nazi Germany killing 10 trillion people caused international peace.

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EuthanatosMurderhobo 9 points 3 years ago

@GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml

I'm sure this one will bury themselves sooner or later, so it's not like I'm gonna cry for a ban, but you gotta be on high alert with this influx of new accounts. You might think I'm crazy now, but we might get actual Ukrainian psyop trolls here now.

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GrainEater 6 points 3 years ago

I'm a bit confused. @lav was making a joke (fairly obvious based on the "10 trillion" part at the very least) and @Otoyana thought they were being serious?

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sicaniv 9 points 3 years ago

https://www.livemint.com/...

The Ukrainian President still left the door open for negotiations with Russia, but that will not be conducted with Putin as its President.

F***ing Jocker..

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Otoyana -9 points 3 years ago

I'm talking about summer of 2021, when possibilities of Russia waging war against Ukraine were seen as impossible by arrogant western "Experts".

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EuthanatosMurderhobo 8 points 3 years ago

So...how did a shitlib get their account approved? xD

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Otoyana -10 points 3 years ago

Putin isn't a left-wing leader to call me a shitlib for criticizing him.

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ButtigiegMineralMap 16 points 3 years ago

That line pissed me off bc Xi Jinping and a few other non-aligned states have tried to get them to the diplomatic table and end this, but obv Zelenskyy was too self-centered and war-hungry to see reason.

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SpaceDogs 7 points 3 years ago

I heard about Xi Jingping doing this but never heard what resulted of that. Does anyone have good documentation of the conversation?

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PolandIsAStateOfMind 11 points 3 years ago

Zelensky told Xi he want Crimea back

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SpaceDogs 11 points 3 years ago

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Crimea (or was it a different region) want to be annexed by Russia and that’s what made NATO step in?

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TheKanzler 24 points 3 years ago

I don't much like this Tisdall guy. Occasionally I look over The Guardian, and whenever I see one of his opinion pieces, it's always something along the lines of "why not enforcing Anglo imperialist aims is bad!"

And the sad part is that he genuinely seems to believe that continued Anglo dominance is somehow a positive thing for the world

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Addfwyn 9 points 3 years ago

And the sad part is that he genuinely seems to believe that continued Anglo dominance is somehow a positive thing for the world

His entire worldview seems to stem from that. Couping and usurping other countries is totally fine, long as it is the western powers that do it.

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Addfwyn 22 points 3 years ago

"Tisdall is a proponent of regime change as a political and military tool of Western bloc countries to enforce a change of government or leadership in an opposing or designated enemy country."

Why am I not surprised.

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Commiejones 21 points 3 years ago

is it just me or does that picture of the propogandist writer look like the epitome of a Liberal wanker?

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Drstrange2love 20 points 3 years ago

They really want to start a third world war

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supersolid_snake 21 points 3 years ago

Well yes, the world is restructuring itself. They got fat after the fall of the USSR, but not as much as they wanted.

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cayde6ml 19 points 3 years ago

Nothing is ever enough for capitalist parasites. They could monetize the multiverse itself and still speak of upcoming quarterly profits.

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sudojonz 6 points 3 years ago

And the greedy parasites are so ill-informed of their own system they don't even realize the unescapable inevitability of the capitalist model: eventually profit will become 0. They can't hide behind "externalities" forever, despite their efforts.

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SpaceDogs 13 points 3 years ago

Based on our track record it seems to be heading in that direction. I hope it doesn’t come to that.

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cayde6ml 10 points 3 years ago

I remain cautiously optimistic that a nuclear conflict isn't anywhere near likely

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SpaceDogs 11 points 3 years ago

I hope it won’t devolve into nukes, but they are sending cluster bombs so that sucks.

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CannotSleep420 19 points 3 years ago

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ButtigiegMineralMap 9 points 3 years ago

Me too, but at the same time, I don’t want a draft AT ALL

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rjs001 10 points 3 years ago

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Commiejones 6 points 3 years ago

Go south. The canucks would just force you to enlist at the border whether you were called up or not.

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rjs001 7 points 3 years ago

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cayde6ml 6 points 3 years ago

Speaking as a latino, I would rather not be shot by the border patrol nazis. You think they give a shit about my I.D. as soon as they see my skin color?

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AlbigensianGhoul 1 point 3 years ago

The South welcomes you with free healthcare o7

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Mzuark 14 points 3 years ago

How many Ukrainian soldiers are even left, do you think? They've been getting ground into dust nonstop for a year and a half. If their army is legitimately gone then no wonder we're seeing more calls for Nato intervention.

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HakFoo 12 points 3 years ago

The over/under for some talking head saying "To save the village Ukraine, we must destroy it" with a straight face is August 17.

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rjs001 9 points 3 years ago

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Commiejones 11 points 3 years ago

I often write "nato" but I do it intentionally to signify my derision. I also do this with "nazis" "trump" and "biden."

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rjs001 14 points 3 years ago

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lesseva96 -8 points 3 years ago

I don't see how the guy is wrong? Putin shouldn't be allowed to annex countries as he likes?

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