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True, that is what the concept has become. But we need to remember that "third place" originally ment places of business like pubs, cafés, barbershops etc.
Modern cities do need the kind of places you ment - not more malls or apple stores (think I read that it's a new trend to have those resemble places you can casually chill so they can casually sell you their stuff).
Americans reinventing coffee houses that aren't Starbucks be like:
You gotta pay to be at a coffee house. And sure, coffee isn't terribly expensive and most places won't kick you out even hours after you've bought your single cup of coffee, but non-Starbucks coffee shops are usually tiny and in some places hard to find.
A bookstore that also had a cafe in it. People would go there and buy a drink or whatever and read. The problem was after reading they didn't have to buy the book. I read a ton of comic books for the price of a coke back then. A library set up like this would be pretty cool.
I miss that about college, 24 hour library filled with people. You have to be quiet on the main floors but upstairs was less strict.
The routine of get a coffee, study for a while, go pee and step outside with some friends for a smoke, and grab another coffee on the way in. Rinse and repeat until the sun comes up.
Man not ours. Couldn't say shit anywhere lol.
Even our computer labs weren't too 3rd-spacey.
Man I miss college sometimes tho. Back when I had friends and a life lol
But then homeless people would have a warm safe place to stay! /s
And if people aren't isolated they might get silly ideas about questioning the system.
Locally we instead pass laws to put liability on librarians and it's been very successful at destroying libraries.
Austin's Central Library
centered around that idea.
Checks out.
I'm sorry, we need to see your library card before you can check something out.
let's make the place where everybody wants you to shut the fuck up the hub of social interaction
So rebuild libraries to have talking rooms?
University libraries have different floors for silent zones and not. A similar concept can often be used for the mid-sized libraries too
Lots of them already do. I live in a small town and my library has 2 conference rooms and a room where book readings take place. Loud activities happening throughout the day not interrupting people in the quiet areas.
Eh fair. Still to me this is just a weird idea. It's like the top comment suggested it looks like OP is trying to think of a coffee shop. That's a good place to be social if you don't want to go to clubs and shit like that.
Neat idea, but most libraries I'm familiar with discourage too much social interaction. Maybe after 10 the "be quiet" rule gets rescinded.
They could have a common room where you are allowed to talk. But that would cost money of course, we can't possibly afford that.
Edit: please don't have showers in the common rooms of pubic libraries
That could work. I think it is an interesting idea to turn libraries into a 3rd space. We need to do something. People are lonely and isolated af.
I think it is an interesting idea to turn libraries into a 3rd space.
I think it's both an interesting and fantastic idea. I could not be more for it
Libraries here are regularly opened until 22 or so. It's very nice :)
I think it might have something to do with the explosion of homelessness in Seattle over the last few years. When I moved to Seattle ten years ago that library was amazing, and open pretty late (I think 8 pm). But last time I went there like a year ago it was completely overrun with homeless people. They were everywhere in the library, just sitting around doing nothing (not reading or using computers), and dozens of them were outside of every entrance too. So, I think they might have adjusted the hours because of that, instead of directly dealing with the problem. I don't really have an issue with homeless people taking advantage of a public resource, that's why it's there, but a lot of other people do, and the city has to consider everyone's perspective.
There should be a better solution for homeless people than for them to have to overrun places like that. It's sad, and detrimental to all sides. That's crazy to think about how it used to be a place that could stay open like you said, and then turned into something else that wasn't able to because of external influences and impacts.
Where's the resiliency?
There's got to be some kind of proactive way of dealing with an issue like this vs. going the 'limit hours' route, which harms the accessibility of everyone. This is probably affecting a lot of libraries right now.
Denmark
My local library closes before night time, so I'm on board with the idea of them a library closing late at night.
I don't even need to talk to others, just seeing people there would soothe me and ease loneliness I get from not socialising much.
Can't you take the bus or something?
This post is pretty spot on.
Actually the public libraries I know have long abandoned the concept of enforced silence (and librarians 'suggesting' what the patrons should and shouldn't read).
They already have different areas for different needs. And often a café close by or integrated (at least in larger cities). In fact the opening hours are most likely the main reason people don't socialise there in the (late) evenings.
Actually there have been several instances where staff members forgot to lock the entry and libraries have been used outside of their opening hours - without any supervision - and the cool part is that nothing has been vandalized or stolen. Kind of like when libraries abandoned fees for overdue media and the number of returned stuff (in time and long overdue) increased significantly. Libraries have a more central position in our culture than most people realize, they only need to adapt to the times and (re)gain some respect of the public. As institutions they might be more needed than they have been in a long time (providing also reliable information, helping to gain (information) literacy and so on).
We are blessed with a small but gorgeous local library that looks like a Frank Lloyd Wright creation, full of natural light. The stacks are lovingly curated and the computer services are great. Wonderful garden out front, friendly staff inside, and modern equipment that makes checkout a breeze. We can reserve books online or check if they are in, etc.
Anyway, after school, our kid walks to the end of the block with her friends and goes into the library. From there, we pick her up. That place is jumping in the afternoons, let me tell you. All the local regulars and all the kids just out of school: littles and teenagers. It’s busy and alive but not noisy (nor are they oppressive assholes about keeping silence). It’s a moment of civic joy to walk in there and get my daughter.
Me. I would love to be a third shift librarian.
In Denmark, many libraries are open far into the evening/night (my local one is open until 22) and get this - they are unstaffed during those hours. You open the door with your loaning card.
Imagine a world where everyone is so familiar with the Dewey Decimal system that fitting in to a library could be as easy as fitting as a bagger at a grocery store. That library science was as commonplace as knowing how to make a gin and tonic. Wait staff now pivots to late-night librarian. 😁
I'm guessing there's people out there who hear Dewey Decimal and get hit with childhood trauma. But yeah, navigating a library should intuitive and effortless.
This is pretty cool, if I had enough books I'd probably try using it too!
Try kava bars. YMMV depending on your location but here in Florida, there are many that are open late where people just hang out, watch movies, play pool, videogames, read, work, etc and they're usually not loud or crowded and they don't serve alcohol
Is this not what the Cafe is made for? My friends and I frequently meet up in Cafe or public parks and play board games/ card games and chill.
This is a cool idea!
My assumption is that it would be popular. So popular that the library would decide on sell a little snacks, sandwiches and soft drinks to earn a little money. And as the sale opens, they would realize that they get a lot higher profit on alcoholic drinks. And since they are selling alcoholic drinks, it's unresponsible to have them in the same area as the daily area with books and study groups. Then they open a new section, maybe in a new location. And to save money on labour, they drop the non alcoholic products.
Of course this is taking it a bit far, but my point is that such a service has incremental steps, where each step would likely give higher profit until it is just a pub.
im not gonna go to a place filled chockefull with nerds
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This concept is the "third space" -- a social space other than work and home where people can congregate, socialize, and relax. Parks and libraries are some of the only remaining spaces in capitalism where people can be humans without paying for the privilege to exist by the minute.
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