What if public libraries...

3 years ago by Servais to c/simpleliving

verdigris 73 points 3 years ago

This concept is the "third space" -- a social space other than work and home where people can congregate, socialize, and relax. Parks and libraries are some of the only remaining spaces in capitalism where people can be humans without paying for the privilege to exist by the minute.

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xspurnx 7 points 3 years ago

True, that is what the concept has become. But we need to remember that "third place" originally ment places of business like pubs, cafés, barbershops etc.

Modern cities do need the kind of places you ment - not more malls or apple stores (think I read that it's a new trend to have those resemble places you can casually chill so they can casually sell you their stuff).

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TheOctonaut 59 points 3 years ago

Americans reinventing coffee houses that aren't Starbucks be like:

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graymess 14 points 3 years ago

You gotta pay to be at a coffee house. And sure, coffee isn't terribly expensive and most places won't kick you out even hours after you've bought your single cup of coffee, but non-Starbucks coffee shops are usually tiny and in some places hard to find.

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lightnsfw 10 points 3 years ago

I think this is why Borders went out of business...

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Anticorp 6 points 3 years ago

Borders was pretty cool.

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technomad 2 points 3 years ago

What was borders?

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lightnsfw 9 points 3 years ago

A bookstore that also had a cafe in it. People would go there and buy a drink or whatever and read. The problem was after reading they didn't have to buy the book. I read a ton of comic books for the price of a coke back then. A library set up like this would be pretty cool.

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technomad 1 point 3 years ago

That sounds like Hastings kind of.

So many good stores that are now extinct.

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xpinchx 46 points 3 years ago

I miss that about college, 24 hour library filled with people. You have to be quiet on the main floors but upstairs was less strict.

The routine of get a coffee, study for a while, go pee and step outside with some friends for a smoke, and grab another coffee on the way in. Rinse and repeat until the sun comes up.

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agent_flounder 9 points 3 years ago

Man not ours. Couldn't say shit anywhere lol.

Even our computer labs weren't too 3rd-spacey.

Man I miss college sometimes tho. Back when I had friends and a life lol

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xpinchx 7 points 3 years ago

Yeah the upper floors are supposed to be for quiet study but you could still collaborate and talk without being hushed, just can't get too roudy. Michigan State btw.

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RampageDon 43 points 3 years ago

But then homeless people would have a warm safe place to stay! /s

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Diplomjodler 33 points 3 years ago

And if people aren't isolated they might get silly ideas about questioning the system.

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floofloof 23 points 3 years ago

Especially with all those books around. Better ban books and defund libraries. I wish this weren't how a good chunk of the political right think.

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henfredemars 12 points 3 years ago

Locally we instead pass laws to put liability on librarians and it's been very successful at destroying libraries.

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JoMiran 37 points 3 years ago

Some libraries, like Austin's Central Library, are centered around that idea.

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fishpen0 21 points 3 years ago
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damnedfurry 1 point 3 years ago

Austin's Central Library

centered around that idea.

Checks out.

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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 0 points 3 years ago

I'm sorry, we need to see your library card before you can check something out.

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EdibleFriend 33 points 3 years ago

let's make the place where everybody wants you to shut the fuck up the hub of social interaction

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Laticauda 4 points 3 years ago

You know we can have more than one place for reading right? Not everyone needs to read in a quiet place and would like more options.

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zaph 2 points 3 years ago

Walls exist.

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EdibleFriend 5 points 3 years ago

So rebuild libraries to have talking rooms?

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MigratingtoLemmy 14 points 3 years ago

University libraries have different floors for silent zones and not. A similar concept can often be used for the mid-sized libraries too

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zaph 9 points 3 years ago

Lots of them already do. I live in a small town and my library has 2 conference rooms and a room where book readings take place. Loud activities happening throughout the day not interrupting people in the quiet areas.

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EdibleFriend -1 points 3 years ago

Eh fair. Still to me this is just a weird idea. It's like the top comment suggested it looks like OP is trying to think of a coffee shop. That's a good place to be social if you don't want to go to clubs and shit like that.

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M500 23 points 3 years ago

I would love this. Like another commenter said, after 10 the no talking rule gets rescinded and it turns into a cafe level of speech.

I’d love to just read books with my wife at a library late at night.

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tissek 9 points 3 years ago

Or simply have study areas where the silence is enforced. Rest of the premises just demands calm.

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mo_lave 19 points 3 years ago

The type of nightlife I wouldn't mind. Looks very cozy

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PeriodicallyPedantic 19 points 3 years ago

Neat idea, but most libraries I'm familiar with discourage too much social interaction. Maybe after 10 the "be quiet" rule gets rescinded.

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Diplomjodler 12 points 3 years ago

They could have a common room where you are allowed to talk. But that would cost money of course, we can't possibly afford that.

Edit: please don't have showers in the common rooms of pubic libraries

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floofloof 14 points 3 years ago

They could have a common room where you are showered to talk.

Sometimes the best ideas come from typos...

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evranch 2 points 3 years ago

I dunno if this idea is all that great. They came up with it awhile ago, waterboarding I think it was called

Blub glub gurgle

"Now are you ready to talk?"

Shakes head

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agent_flounder 8 points 3 years ago

That could work. I think it is an interesting idea to turn libraries into a 3rd space. We need to do something. People are lonely and isolated af.

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theneverfox 2 points 3 years ago

I think it is an interesting idea to turn libraries into a 3rd space.

I think it's both an interesting and fantastic idea. I could not be more for it

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SorteKanin 11 points 3 years ago

Libraries here are regularly opened until 22 or so. It's very nice :)

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Anticorp 9 points 3 years ago

That's awesome! The Seattle Central Library closes at 6pm. Like how the fuck are people supposed to use a public resource when it closes as soon as they get off work? It's hella dumb.

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technomad 3 points 3 years ago

The issue probably goes deeper. I'm sure they have struggles/difficulties about having more accessible hours. I do wish my libraries had better hours too though.

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Anticorp 3 points 3 years ago

I think it might have something to do with the explosion of homelessness in Seattle over the last few years. When I moved to Seattle ten years ago that library was amazing, and open pretty late (I think 8 pm). But last time I went there like a year ago it was completely overrun with homeless people. They were everywhere in the library, just sitting around doing nothing (not reading or using computers), and dozens of them were outside of every entrance too. So, I think they might have adjusted the hours because of that, instead of directly dealing with the problem. I don't really have an issue with homeless people taking advantage of a public resource, that's why it's there, but a lot of other people do, and the city has to consider everyone's perspective.

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technomad 2 points 3 years ago

There should be a better solution for homeless people than for them to have to overrun places like that. It's sad, and detrimental to all sides. That's crazy to think about how it used to be a place that could stay open like you said, and then turned into something else that wasn't able to because of external influences and impacts.

Where's the resiliency?

There's got to be some kind of proactive way of dealing with an issue like this vs. going the 'limit hours' route, which harms the accessibility of everyone. This is probably affecting a lot of libraries right now.

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technomad 2 points 3 years ago

Where is 'here?'

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SorteKanin 3 points 3 years ago

Denmark

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Sora 10 points 3 years ago

My local library closes before night time, so I'm on board with the idea of them a library closing late at night.

I don't even need to talk to others, just seeing people there would soothe me and ease loneliness I get from not socialising much.

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nonailsleft 2 points 3 years ago

Can't you take the bus or something?

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Sora 4 points 3 years ago

I never seem to remember that it is an option, so thank you for throwing that out there :P

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xspurnx 9 points 3 years ago

This post is pretty spot on.

Actually the public libraries I know have long abandoned the concept of enforced silence (and librarians 'suggesting' what the patrons should and shouldn't read).

They already have different areas for different needs. And often a café close by or integrated (at least in larger cities). In fact the opening hours are most likely the main reason people don't socialise there in the (late) evenings.

Actually there have been several instances where staff members forgot to lock the entry and libraries have been used outside of their opening hours - without any supervision - and the cool part is that nothing has been vandalized or stolen. Kind of like when libraries abandoned fees for overdue media and the number of returned stuff (in time and long overdue) increased significantly. Libraries have a more central position in our culture than most people realize, they only need to adapt to the times and (re)gain some respect of the public. As institutions they might be more needed than they have been in a long time (providing also reliable information, helping to gain (information) literacy and so on).

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FlapKap 7 points 3 years ago

They mostly are around here

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scarabic 7 points 3 years ago

We are blessed with a small but gorgeous local library that looks like a Frank Lloyd Wright creation, full of natural light. The stacks are lovingly curated and the computer services are great. Wonderful garden out front, friendly staff inside, and modern equipment that makes checkout a breeze. We can reserve books online or check if they are in, etc.

Anyway, after school, our kid walks to the end of the block with her friends and goes into the library. From there, we pick her up. That place is jumping in the afternoons, let me tell you. All the local regulars and all the kids just out of school: littles and teenagers. It’s busy and alive but not noisy (nor are they oppressive assholes about keeping silence). It’s a moment of civic joy to walk in there and get my daughter.

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protist 7 points 3 years ago

This is a cool idea, but would significantly increase staffing needs. Where are you going to find librarians who want to work night shift?

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DharmaCurious 9 points 3 years ago

Me. I would love to be a third shift librarian.

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SorteKanin 8 points 3 years ago

In Denmark, many libraries are open far into the evening/night (my local one is open until 22) and get this - they are unstaffed during those hours. You open the door with your loaning card.

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Laticauda 4 points 3 years ago

I'm willing to bet there are a lot of librarians who would enjoy working a night shift. I'd apply for that job.

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Late2TheParty 3 points 3 years ago

Imagine a world where everyone is so familiar with the Dewey Decimal system that fitting in to a library could be as easy as fitting as a bagger at a grocery store. That library science was as commonplace as knowing how to make a gin and tonic. Wait staff now pivots to late-night librarian. 😁

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pthaloblue 4 points 3 years ago

I'm guessing there's people out there who hear Dewey Decimal and get hit with childhood trauma. But yeah, navigating a library should intuitive and effortless.

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lightnsfw 3 points 3 years ago

I've been converting my personal ebook collection to BISAC that one is pretty easy to figure out.

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pthaloblue 2 points 3 years ago

This is pretty cool, if I had enough books I'd probably try using it too!

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technomad 2 points 3 years ago

Shit, people would volunteer for that privilege. 😆

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lightnsfw 7 points 3 years ago

But also what if the public library did have a bar in it so I can get smashed while learning new stuff.

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Zier 4 points 3 years ago

That's what the internet is for.

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lightnsfw 5 points 3 years ago

I mean yea, that's what I do at home currently. I just think it'd be cool to maybe meet some new people while doing it.

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xspurnx 1 point 3 years ago

And thus: internet café... or internet bar?

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technomad 2 points 3 years ago

That's a terrible idea, but I'm definitely lol'ing at the thought of it.

A built in coffee shop on the other hand....

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Elgenzay 5 points 3 years ago

Try kava bars. YMMV depending on your location but here in Florida, there are many that are open late where people just hang out, watch movies, play pool, videogames, read, work, etc and they're usually not loud or crowded and they don't serve alcohol

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WhyAUsername_1 4 points 3 years ago

Is this not what the Cafe is made for? My friends and I frequently meet up in Cafe or public parks and play board games/ card games and chill.

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GrappleHat 4 points 3 years ago

This is a cool idea!

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Son_of_dad 3 points 3 years ago
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Phegan 8 points 3 years ago
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MinusPi 5 points 3 years ago

So?

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Son_of_dad -1 points 3 years ago
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MinusPi 4 points 3 years ago

Bit of a leap there, don't you think? Anyway, what's so bad about giving these suffering people a place to just be?

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dQw4w9WgXcQ 2 points 3 years ago

My assumption is that it would be popular. So popular that the library would decide on sell a little snacks, sandwiches and soft drinks to earn a little money. And as the sale opens, they would realize that they get a lot higher profit on alcoholic drinks. And since they are selling alcoholic drinks, it's unresponsible to have them in the same area as the daily area with books and study groups. Then they open a new section, maybe in a new location. And to save money on labour, they drop the non alcoholic products.

Of course this is taking it a bit far, but my point is that such a service has incremental steps, where each step would likely give higher profit until it is just a pub.

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technomad 1 point 3 years ago

Yes please!!!

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Zuberi 0 points 3 years ago
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DavidGarcia -9 points 3 years ago

im not gonna go to a place filled chockefull with nerds

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runeko 7 points 3 years ago

Um ... welcome to Lemmy, friend.

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technomad 1 point 3 years ago
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