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poVoq 23 points 3 years ago

Saving you a click: It's just normal WINE. Typical Apple: taking open-source software, hardly contributing anything back and also claiming its their own stuff. F*ck you Apple!

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aksdb 6 points 3 years ago

WINE is the foundation, but they added own stuff for their hardware.

Yes, they re-use tons of stuff from WINE. Yes, they should actively contribute back. But no, it's not just "normal WINE".

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poVoq 3 points 3 years ago

They are probably also using MoltenVK, something that Valve bought and made open-source. Otherwise it is probably just their old Rosetta x86 to ARM transition layer. WINE had x86 MacOS support for a long time already.

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poVoq 5 points 3 years ago

That is exactly what I mean: Leech off open-source projects, contribute back the bare minimum (and not even upstreamed) and then make a big announcement about the new "Apple Game Porting Toolkit"(tm).

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byteseb 5 points 3 years ago

Shouldn't it be open source? I thought Wine was licensed under the GPL

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poVoq 9 points 3 years ago

Sure, but they are combining but not linking it with their x86 to ARM transition layer and are keeping that closed of course. Also don't expect them to do much actual work on WINE itself as seen with similar examples in the past. For one of the richest companies on earth it is a disgrace to see such consistent freeloader behaviour.

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iusearchbtw 3 points 3 years ago

It's an inevitable consequence of permissive licensing, especially on behalf of a company as heavily invested in walled gardens as Apple. They won't do anything they're not forced to do, unless it will somehow benefit them way more than anyone else. It's as simple as that.

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poVoq 3 points 3 years ago

They also do it with Copyleft stuff. But yeah, I am not surprised at all. I am more surprised that there are examples like Valve that do contribute back despite it potentially also benefiting shitty freeloaders like Apple.

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derived_allegory 3 points 3 years ago

According to some, this is the source code they released: https://github.com/... 3MB of unreadable patch file with almost no documentation whatsoever.

Open source license cannot really force them to release "readable" source code. No matter how strong the licenses are, compnies that are dicks will be dicks. Nothing will change as long as people keep buying their products.

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aRatherDapperFox 5 points 3 years ago

What a joke... All the more reason I'm glad I left that ecosystem.

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XLRV 5 points 3 years ago

Yeah, their walled garden ecosystem is really user hostile and against real innovation, I'm glad I only got an iPhone 7 and came back to Android.

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cavemeat 1 point 3 years ago

ugh, how lazy

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narc0tic_bird 4 points 3 years ago

Pretty cool if you ask me. Sure, it uses a lot of existing software like WINE, but it seems to be working quite well overall. People have already gotten games like Diablo IV and Cyberpunk to work. Take a look here: https://www.applegamingwiki.com/....

I'm not gaming on my MacBook anyway (I have a PC as well), but I'll probably try it just to see how well it works on my M1 Max 24-core GPU.

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