Even if this were true, 3rd party moderator tools are going away as well, and that affects everyone. I've heard it said that it's basically impossible to moderate a big subreddit without 3rd party tools. If so, those communities will rot, and Reddit is unlikely to respond fast enough with improved tools.
The real migration will come later, and more gradually. This was really more of a good trial run.
It's derived from total app downloads on android:
Everyone who downloads the official app (like because they are blocked from viewing many threads on mobile) and then leaves it in disgust and never uses it again counts as a "download." That is very far from indicating what percentage of users are affected.
These last three days have been a lot more calm for me. I think social media in great quantities is bad. The normies that will continue using reddit are the ones that probably use Instagram as well. I am definitely not one of those. So reddit making this change was its final gift to me after 15 years of teachable moments.
I've realized after leaving all I been doing on reddit was doom scrolling and regurgitating in jokes.
Good thread and I was gonna comment something insightful up until I read "when old.reddit is shut down".... old reddit is being shut down? The day that happens is probably the day I stop using reddit entirely lol.
Most of your points are pretty spot on IMO, though my personal preference for communities is probably a bit more active than what you suggest. but yes i think you're 100% right.
The company never said anything about closing it down, but i'm pretty sure that it will happen. The process of streamlining will make the UI impossible to work at some point, so instead of patching it to make it work they are surely going to remove it completely.
Reddit released some numbers a year ago (warning: reddit link!). So it's another 4% of users using old.reddit (probably a huge overlap with 3PA users), but also 60% of moderators. I guess getting rid of it probably won't hurt them a lot.
only 4% are on old reddit? oh wow. and 60% of moderators lol yeah that makes sense. yeah I'm guessing it's the same overlap of people who use old reddit, 3pa, and are moderators. In that context, I wouldn't be surprised if they intentionally wanted the blackout and for these people to leave reddit, so that they don't have that nagging group who want reddit to be how it was before lol.
I have a feeling that reddit might drastically change soon as a result.
Can confirm, Vulcan is a moderator and mostly used old.reddit (although with new.reddit for couple occasions).
Killing old.reddit will be a huge shockwave, especially among moderators.
This is exactly why I jumped ship, personally. I don’t care at all about 3PA and the monetization - matter of fact, I think it’s entirely fair for reddit to be trying to monetize given the scope of the site - but I loathe the new reddit UI and app and just… refuse to adapt. I’m the curmudgeonly old man with a stick here, proclaiming that it was better in the good old days when you might mistake the text editor for an IDE. This whole Fediverse thing is also just kind of neat - idk if it will stick around in its current form because monetization seems to be firmly in the “we’ll figure it out later” mode, but it’s near for now and has people’s attention.
Sadly true. I've actually been using kbin on my laptop these past few days. I only tried it on my phone just today and I have to say it really plays nice with mobile. I'm surprised.
Yeah, the people who prefer old.reddit are exactly the sort of people the owners don't want to have to deal with as they try to change Reddit to more closely resemble other social media sites like Facebook or Twitter.
There are already things that were added to new reddit that cause problems with old reddit. The most obvious example is markdown incompatibilities, so comments and text submissions posted via new reddit are sometimes broken on old reddit.
I don't have anything to say in regards to your comment in particular, I just wanted to say I love your profile icon!
thanks :) I generated it using stable diffusion
It was never about the 3rd party tools for me, i only ever used Reddit in browser. No, it's about the inshitification of everything online. I was actually delighted when this little protest started because i knew it would help the Fediverse. Everything is about data mining and manipulating the users. Trust me, there are going to be more mass migrations away from Reddit and Twitter, and other online resources as the inshitification of all online resources intensifies.
Although I did use a 3rd-party app (RIF), I agree with you. I had heard about the Fediverse for some time but have never had the impetus to actually browse around and take a look until Reddit declared imminent enshittification.
Realest take is seen thus far. A lot of migrants want Lemmy to be like Reddit, but it's not reddit. I have no doubt that a large amount of them will find their way back to Reddit after they've seen Lemmy is it's own thing.
Personally, I like Lemmy. I like the smaller community, and I like Federation. I can't wait to see what this thing grows into
kbin feels near identical to reddit to me in how it works, just quite a bit smaller. it's not reddit, but it gives me the things I liked from reddit. lemmy, in comparison, just feels off to me.
same here, I'm mostly using lemmy with jerboa til kbin gets an app for Android, then I'll switch to that. there's still a bunch of lemmy communities I'll subscribe to tho, which is one thing I like a lot about federation
The ui and layout. It felt like a DIY project almost. Hacker news gives me that same feel. Like it's almost a little too basic. The spacing and such as well. Idk I probably didn't give it a fair chance tbh. I also had heard about lemmy.ml's moderation issued which was also a turnoff.
Thanks for the summary. Great to hear some variety of opinions. I’m personally very fond of Hacker News and appreciate its basic UI. The lemmy.ml moderation stuff is of course a whole separate beast.
I love that I don't feel like I have to write every single comment and post in a way that is palatable for every single person who could possibly come across it.
I love that most people here seem to actually read the post or comment on here before they respond. On reddit, there were many times that people wouldn't even read up to the third sentence before trying to give a stranger random life advice on a complex and emotional situation. Other times, people would practically fabricate an entire novel based off of their personal experiences that might not have even been related to the post in question.
I love that this community seems to be more open to the grey area in between the black-and-white. For example, you might have kids or love being around kids, but you might not want to eat next to a crying baby at a very expensive restaurant. On reddit, I've literally seen people equate that to wanting to vanquish all children off the face of the earth.
I'm happy Lemmy isn't reddit.
I just posted a thread describing similar concerns. I only went for niche places such as 3d sculpting and emulation devices, but still it was nice to once in a while come across things outside of my bubble of interests.
What I mostly worry about is the bar of entry for the fediverse being too high for the casual user, the majority of which would fill such less niche boards with interesting and regular content. We live in a 'push button, get dopamine' era of content, and the fediverse seems more complicated than that.
'push button, get dopamine'
I thought so, too at first. But for every account i make somewhere I already need email confirmation and/or 2FA, so registering is far from "click button" -> "start" and seemingly the majority manages to make that work.
The only thing slightly complicated about the fediverse is the fact that there are interconnected instances with different services. But since we are in an early phase anyways, things will figure themselves out in the next months. I think it's going to be like this: there will be communities for all kinds of stuff and all of them will get through a certain development. In a few months or even years, there might be just a single-digit number of, let's say, football communities left, because the well-managed ones grew and attracted more users while others died down. If I want to talk about football, I can join the server with a known community without even thinking about the fediverse. But when I do, I will immediately be able to access the rest of it. Honestly, it was the same with reddit for a lot of users. A lot of people joined just for their hobby and learned about the diversity over time.
On the other hand, I've been on my fair share of sites that only need an email address to open an account - they don't ask for anything else, and you're straight in. Can't think of any examples off the top of my head, typically, but they do exist. It's weird.
This is a well-written post.
The wind of change has arrived, towards Fediverse favour.
This is a great post that resonates with me.
While I’ve come to terms with accepting that a mass migration from Reddit to Kbin, Lemmy, etc. may not happen any time soon, I do appreciate learning about these new communities and am looking forward to helping them grow :)
Honestly, I was thinking about making a post about the exact same thing, but I am glad you beat me to it because you are obviously much more informed and articulated than I would have been!
I agree, Reddit will go on and make money, but it will be a much different place, more like Facebook or Instagram, in that it will be full of ads and less specific information. It will cease to be a niche space and become another, more generalized social for a more generalized public.
In short: we, aka the people who migrated, simply are not their intended target anymore
Can you please tell me what I'm responding to so I can create one also? By that I mean - on reddit there was a "selfpost" or "text post" - a top level comment with a subject but without an external link.
That appears to be what I am responding to here. But when I try to create one, my options are to add a Link, Article, Post, Photo, or Video. I would think I want to do a post, but that takes me to the microblogging tab, and that doesn't look like what I'm trying to do.
How do I do a "selfpost" in reddit terms please?
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thanks for using Leebra!
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Could you provide the source for "The API/3PA changes affect like 5-10% of users"？
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