Wholesome co-worker

2 years ago by ickplant to c/lemmybewholesome

GlassHalfHopeful 152 points 2 years ago

An incredibly moving moment that this person will never forget. 💜

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Lemming6969 -21 points 2 years ago
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Objection 21 points 2 years ago

Love to be a normal, well-adjusted person having normal, well-adjusted thoughts.

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Mastengwe 124 points 2 years ago

Seriously…. Who downvotes this????? Such a wholesome share!

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BonesOfTheMoon 106 points 2 years ago

Transphobic people.

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Klear 95 points 2 years ago

AND islamophobic people.

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poplargrove 15 points 2 years ago

I imagine the downvoters assume the post is making a point about Muslims in general, which it isn't.

It isn't Islamophobic thinking Muslims are transphobic, they are. Much like most of the world outside the West.

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Tryptaminev 18 points 2 years ago

"most of the world outside the West".

Is this trans friendly West in the room with us currently?

Also countries like Thailand are culturally much more advanced on Trans acceptance.

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Objection 12 points 2 years ago

Westerners are transphobic.

If you wanna make broad generalizations about large groups of people with diverse beliefs, you don't get to turn around and exclude another group from broad generalizations just because you're included in it.

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Fal 53 points 2 years ago

No. People who don't think sexist religious conservative values should be applauded. This is basically orphan crushing machine material

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NESSI3 39 points 2 years ago

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Kolanaki 33 points 2 years ago

So you're saying this post is bad because the focus is entirely on the positive interaction, and nobody is screaming the fact that one of the people in the story wears a hijab and going out of their way to slam Islam over it? 🤨

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AFC1886VCC 18 points 2 years ago
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Anamnesis 13 points 2 years ago

Yeah. Accept Muslims and support their rights. But fuck the hijab. No one should wear that sexist trash.

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Mastengwe 11 points 2 years ago

No, it isn’t.

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FiniteBanjo 13 points 2 years ago

You can upload literally anything on this site and it'll be downvoted. Sometimes even for the content, usually just because creeps will go back through your history and downvote everything you've posted for a week or two.

I'm not worried about it, though.

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theangryseal 7 points 2 years ago

I apologize for the downvote. I agree with you, it just felt like the right thing to do. :p

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TheLowestStone 6 points 2 years ago

That's what happens when you mention downvotes. It primes people mentally to do it. The good news is these are completely meaningless internet points.

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FiniteBanjo -2 points 2 years ago

Cool

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JimSamtanko 2 points 2 years ago

Yep. It happens to me pretty much daily on an alt. And although I know who’s doing it- there’s not a mod willing to do anything about it.

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Texas_Hangover -13 points 2 years ago

Because it didn't happen.

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Kolanaki 17 points 2 years ago

/r/NothingEverHappens 🙄

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CybranM 2 points 2 years ago

What's the Lemmy version of /r/nothingeverhappens?

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Mastengwe 9 points 2 years ago

You were there? It’d go a long way were you to provide proof.

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drmoose -1 points 2 years ago path: 0 10018224 10019502 10019551 10026066, hotness: undefined, score: -1, children: 4
Mastengwe 3 points 2 years ago path: 0 10018224 10019502 10019551 10026066 10026399, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 3
Texas_Hangover -16 points 2 years ago

Lmao, Christian logic. PrOvE it dIDnT HaPpEN. 🤪

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Mastengwe 14 points 2 years ago

Who hurt you, and why is it our fault?

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drmoose 5 points 2 years ago

Despite your down votes I agree with you. I'm always conflicted about voting on something that appears to be clearly deceiving so usually I abstain from voting entirely but someone who cares more about this can easily justify a down-vote.

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jose1324 107 points 2 years ago

Fuck religion that even makes this gesture possible

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Tryptaminev -62 points 2 years ago

Fuck people that want to tell women what not to wear. You are doing the same like those forcing a hijab.

Most women choose to wear hijab and are defending the right to do so.

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starman2112 53 points 2 years ago

Nobody here is telling women what not to wear though. "You are doing the same like thlse forcing a hijab?" jose1324 isn't killing people for wearing them

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Tryptaminev -36 points 2 years ago

By saying "fuck that this gesture is possible" the conclusion is that it shouldn't, which means that women wouldn't wear hijab in the first place. But as they choose to do so, that means infringing on their choice.

And it should be very telling that in places like Iran women face repression if they want to not wear hijab, and the western countries working towards the opposite sentiment of repression for wearing hijab.

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starman2112 43 points 2 years ago

No, nothing about what Jose said implies that they wouldn't want women to be allowed to wear a hijab. This gesture is possible because Islam forces women to keep their head covered when they're around men. If they were allowed to uncover their head around men, then this gesture would hold no weight.

in places like Iran women face repression if they want to not wear hijab, and the western countries working towards the opposite sentiment of repression for wearing hijab.

Stop making these stupid comparisons. Iran imprisons women if they choose not to wear hijabs. Western countries offer women the option not to.

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Belastend 0 points 2 years ago

Ah yes, the many beatings of women wearing hijab in the western world, truly horrific

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Ultraviolet 31 points 2 years ago

"Choose" is a very loaded word here. Yes, technically, they have a choice between wearing a hijab and an alternative, but what is that alternative? For someone in a conservative Muslim community, there is an extreme stigma against choosing not to wear a hijab, so it's a choice between wearing one or being shunned. If it's a theocratic country, it's a choice between wearing one and death. Yes, technically a choice, but no more of a choice than being robbed at gunpoint and "choosing" to empty your pockets to not be shot in the head.

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SapphironZA 29 points 2 years ago

Choice under the threat of violence is no choice at all. Indistinguishable from authoritarian barbarism.

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Socsa 4 points 2 years ago

Thank you. And those who continue to don such symbols of oppression when they do have a real choice are choosing to express violence against their subjugated peers.

There's a reason why every free society rejects universal dress codes, and I for one will choose to stand again them whether they are for church or middle school.

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oce 28 points 2 years ago

Most women choose to wear hijab and are defending the right to do so.

In democracies (and absence of family pressure) maybe, but in most of the world, I doubt it.

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StaySquared -6 points 2 years ago

They're supposed to mirror Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ (pbut). She wore a hijab.

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oce 8 points 2 years ago

Shouldn't the freedoms of women and education of men have evolved in 2000 years?

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Tryptaminev -29 points 2 years ago

And you know that because you spoke with so many of these women, or you know that because you think being from a white western country entitles you to know best for everyone in the world?

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oce 17 points 2 years ago

Because I spoke with some of them, lived in different countries and my readings are not limited to information about my place of origin. What about you, do you come from a place that lets you know better about the world than mine, or your argument about having knowledge limited to your origin doesn't apply to you?

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InternetPerson 12 points 2 years ago

How many non-muslimic women wear hijabs because they like to?

How would one even get the idea to wear a hijab at all if it weren't for religion?

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SapphironZA 10 points 2 years ago

You don't need to speak to a slave to know slavery is wrong.

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jose1324 26 points 2 years ago

It's impressive how you turned this to be my fault lmao. Fuck you man, I don't decide what people want to wear. Go take a hike

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drmoose 20 points 2 years ago

Everyone can still wear a scarves on their heads. Believe it or not it's not a new or exclusively religious article of clothing.

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Tryptaminev -22 points 2 years ago

Any scarve that covers the hair is considered a hijab. There is no special scarve for a hijab and hijabs can take all shapes, colors and patterns.

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Belastend 1 point 2 years ago

Their purpose is not the same.

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Squirrel 16 points 2 years ago

Would they choose to wear a hijab if that religion did not exist? Looking at the rest of the world, the answer is a resounding "no."

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StaySquared 1 point 2 years ago

I imagine because in, "civilized" nations.. women are just sexual objects. Watch the ads, the movies, the cartoons, the magazines.. all industries pertaining to women are sexualized. You must do this, that, wear this, that in order to be acceptable.

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Squirrel 2 points 2 years ago

I like how you wrote "civilized" as if I made some comment disparaging primarily Muslim nations. By "the rest of the world", I simply meant those who aren't pressured by their culture to wear head scarves.

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Tryptaminev -11 points 2 years ago

https://www.ancient-origins.net/...

https://daily.jstor.org/...

I am sorry, but please educate yourself before making such nonsensical statements. Veiling has been a part of culture and religion outside of Islam for millennia. And if you look at the second source, you'll see that veiling also has been a mean of liberation and that banning it is part of a long history of oppressing women

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Squirrel 7 points 2 years ago

👌

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InternetPerson 6 points 2 years ago

has been

Enough said I guess.

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Theharpyeagle 3 points 2 years ago

The flak you're getting for this is bizarre. There are tons of women who wear a hijab by choice. It's self expression, hell people even do pinups/porn in them so it's not like the religious association is absolute or binding.

Women should not be forced to wear a hijab, but they also shouldn't be forced not to. Feminism is about choice, the choice between embracing traditional roles and rules or eschewing them with equal acceptance.

Articles from women who choose to wear a hijab:

https://www.brookings.edu/...

https://gchumanrights.org/...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/...

https://www.aclu.org/...

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STRIKINGdebate2 100 points 2 years ago

Ickplant I feel bad for you. You keep trying to make wholesome posts but you end inadvertently triggering discourse. First pit bull discourse and now hijab discourse.

Edit: Comments are reopened.

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MataVatnik 89 points 2 years ago

I'd cry

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ChonkyOwlbear 53 points 2 years ago

Religious views of trans people in Iran are particularly interesting. Though it is an Islamic theocracy where being gay is explicitly against the law, being trans is narrowly accepted. Gender reassignment surgery is legal and formal gender recognition after the procedure is supported by the theocracy. The fact that being gay is potentially punishable by death can lead to people choosing gender reassignment rather than execution. The government's strict belief that there are no sexual minorities in the country leads to an oddly absolute acceptance of the gender of trans people.

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vonbaronhans 24 points 2 years ago

This reminds me of Japan. I've not confirmed this myself, but it jives with my understanding of the culture. Binary trans people are generally less 'disruptive' to society and less of a perceived 'problem' to the mainstream because hey we can fit you into a box and its associated social roles. They really like their boxes and roles. But if you are queer in other more visible ways, like gay people trying to get married or be accepted socially, then that gets frowned upon for upsetting the apple cart.

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eightforty -12 points 2 years ago

Because the apple can't identify as orange

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ghurab 8 points 2 years ago

hah, funny, in Dutch the literal translation of orange is Chinese apple. Curious 🧐

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lugal 3 points 2 years ago

Same in German kind of. Maybe oranges can identify as apples but not the other way around?

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loudWaterEnjoyer 3 points 2 years ago

Why do I care what the apple identifies as? I'm also not shaming people that are clearly stupid and claim they have a brain and the intelligence that goes with it.

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StaySquared 2 points 2 years ago

It is indeed interesting. Because in the end... sexual intercourse with the booty is still a high tier sin in Islam. Even if the couple is heterosexual.

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xavier666 49 points 2 years ago

Forgive my ignorance but can anyone explain what happened in this interraction?

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Ballistic_86 143 points 2 years ago

It would be against Islam for a woman to show herself (without a head covering) to a man she wasn’t married/related to. This isn’t true for woman and other woman. This person is trans and their friend treated them, through religious tradition, that she accepts her friend as a woman.

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Voroxpete 116 points 2 years ago

Which means, in effect, that their friend is saying "My belief that you are truly a woman is at least as strong as my belief in my god," which is an incredibly powerful way to validate someone's identity.

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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 19 points 2 years ago

"male attendants with no desire" are also accepted, although I suspect that refers to eunuchs.

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daltotron 11 points 2 years ago

depends on the reading, I think, could also refer to gay dudes.

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StaySquared 1 point 2 years ago

Technically gay men.

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moon -19 points 2 years ago

Which is why it didn't happen lol, especially when the religion and culture is very anti trans.

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snooggums 43 points 2 years ago

A wholesome exchange based on the intersection of trans acceptance and religious misogyny!

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StaySquared 4 points 2 years ago

A trans person is claiming that a woman excepts said trans person as a woman.

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Kazumara 36 points 2 years ago

I wonder what her Imam would say to that. I haven't heard of a Muslim sect that accepts transgender people under their chosen gender. But maybe they are out there, if anyone knows of one I'd like to know more.

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HandwovenConsensus 61 points 2 years ago

In Iran, gender reassignment is legal, and they'll even change the birth certificate to match, from what I learned a decade ago.

Homosexuality, however, is a capital offense, so many gay people are pressured to transition.

Some conservative societies seem to have the attitude that it's better to go from one role with rigid expectations to another than it is to fail to meet the expectations of your original role.

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dev_null 10 points 2 years ago

many gay people are pressured to transition

Made me imagine the awkward situation where two gay people transitioned to be able to legally find a match, and found each other.

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masquenox 3 points 2 years ago

They had the same thing going here in Apartheid-South Africa.

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Kazumara 2 points 2 years ago

Oh I see, I did not expect that. Thank you!

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masquenox 17 points 2 years ago

I wonder what her Imam would say to that.

Heaven forbid... are you implying that Muslim people perhaps aren't a brainwashed monolith that simply accepts anything spoken by those in authority?

Say it isn't so!

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Kazumara 4 points 2 years ago

I'm not sure in which direction your sarcasm is actually going there.

I wouldn't say they are a monolith, with all those different sects and the fatwas where you basically have to choose which person or group of muftis you trust to issue binding ones.

On the point of brainwashing... well depends on how you define it, I'd say. I think all Religion at its core is supposed to influence your thinking profoundly and most religious people are brought up into their belief system. What is just socialisation and what is brainwashing I don't know how to distinguish.

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Omniraptor 5 points 2 years ago path: 0 10024364 10024548, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 1
Kazumara 2 points 2 years ago

Very interesting, thank you

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gofsckyourself 24 points 2 years ago

That's a beautiful story. Love it.

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Entropywins 11 points 2 years ago

Love it!!!

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boatsnhos931 1 point 2 years ago

😂😂😂😂

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killjuden -3 points 2 years ago
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StaySquared -3 points 2 years ago

Things that didn't happen for $100, Ryan.

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Thcdenton 12 points 2 years ago

Who the fuck is Ryan

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StaySquared 5 points 2 years ago

I dunno it was just a random name. Guess I should have kept it more uniform by using, "Alex" instead.

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Pixlbabble -5 points 2 years ago

Sounds made up.

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verity_kindle -29 points 2 years ago

And everyone in the coffee shop stood up and applauded, i.e., this never happened.

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PhineaZ 13 points 2 years ago

You might want to work on your reading comprehension.

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LadyAutumn 12 points 2 years ago

What aspect of this story seems constructed or unbelievable to you?

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I_Has_A_Hat -6 points 2 years ago
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Strawberry 6 points 2 years ago

nothing ever happens

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eightforty -60 points 2 years ago
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Rekorse 14 points 2 years ago

In your opinion, is someone going through a transition considered them putting themselves through a mental illness by choice?

If you would say these people already have a mental illness, and are just choosing the wrong solution for it, what do you mean by "mental illness should not be condoned?" How would someone go about solving their problem?

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eightforty -3 points 2 years ago

And their problem is what exactly?

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Rekorse 3 points 2 years ago

Whatever mental or physical effects they are experiencing that they feel they need to alleviate. I also allowed for the idea that they falsely believe they have a mental illness.

Simply though, can you clarify your position on what is really happening and what people should be doing (or not doing)?

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Hawk 10 points 2 years ago

Reading a peaceful, harmless story and somehow calling that mental sounds indeed like someone not right in the head would say.

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ealoe 2 points 2 years ago

Ignorance is a mental illness, get help. Unless you're just a bigot in which case find the nearest woodchipper and hop in!

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eightforty -2 points 2 years ago
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S_204 -78 points 2 years ago
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ReCursing 63 points 2 years ago

Nothing ever happens

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thefartographer 24 points 2 years ago

Especially this reply right now that currently isn't happening

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FiniteBanjo 7 points 2 years ago

I didn't see nuthin'

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desentizised 5 points 2 years ago

Absolutely loving this comment-chain.

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glimse 45 points 2 years ago

I can't figure out which part of this story you doubt so I have to assume you've never met a trans person or a Muslim.

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Rinox 9 points 2 years ago

Probably that a Muslim can both be open to trans people and wear a hijab at the same time.

Tbh is much easier to reconcile than you'd think.

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glimse 2 points 2 years ago

Right, so they've never met a Muslim person (or I guess only met the much more rare ultra conservative kind)

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Tryptaminev 2 points 2 years ago

Stop destroying prejudices against Muslims! How can you show them to be self confident and intelligent people that don't need a white savior to explain the world to them?

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Rinox 3 points 2 years ago

Don't get me wrong, I'm still very against conservative Muslims, as much as I am against conservative Christians, ultra-orthodox Jews etc...

But it's clear that there's nuance, so like one can be a Christian and also be accepting of gays and trans people, one can be the same while believing in Islam. The ones I can't stand are those that use their preferred book to put themselves on a pedestal and be terrible to other people, but this trait is not limited to one specific religion, or even to religion itself.

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S_204 -6 points 2 years ago

Half of my family is Muslim. I'm currently partnered with the trans alliance in my city to build their new housing co-op.... I'm well versed in both sides of this and what's stated above didn't happen LoL. It's a fairytale or as known in the Muslim community.... teqqiyah.

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glimse 2 points 2 years ago

Crazy how you want me to believe your story and not theirs

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GeneralVincent 19 points 2 years ago

This isn't too far fetched. I recently saw a video of a woman who is Muslim explaining why she personally wouldn't take her hijab off in front of a trans woman. Which is the opposite of the op story

BUT... it's obvious that figuring out how trans women fit into their religious beliefs would be a discussion among Muslim women. Just like Christianity, there are going to be different interpretations, person to person even, of what is ok and not. Seems to me like this would actually be a really easy way for a woman to show her support to a friend.

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S_204 -5 points 2 years ago

My op was removed LoL. I guess you're not allowed to introduce reality into these fairytales. Half of my family is Muslim, this is absolutely a fairytale LMFAO.

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Hawk 1 point 2 years ago

"Me and half my family are transphobic".

No idea how you're proud of making that statement, that's just sad.

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Mastengwe 4 points 2 years ago

You’re not happening.

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NESSI3 -149 points 2 years ago
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can 87 points 2 years ago

Imagine viewing a post from a "wholesome" community only to make sure everyone knew you rolled* your eyes.

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blindbunny 37 points 2 years ago

If I can't have solidarity no one can. The problem is you buddy.

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cm0002 28 points 2 years ago

This users comments seem to have a habit of turning into a "."

Weird, so here's their comment preserved

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TSG_Asmodeus 11 points 2 years ago

Wow they sure are a chicken shit with the consequences of their comments.

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theangryseal 4 points 2 years ago

Well, most of them appear to have a favorable rating so I don’t know about that.

Either it’s a privacy thing or they’re posting propaganda of some sort and then once they’ve reached enough people they edit the comment.

I’m choosing to go with the former. Not because I agree with their comment (don’t know where I stand on the issue, just know it isn’t my business), but because lemmy seems to be a place where users value privacy.

Edit: Holy shit I’m a liar. I don’t what I was seeing a few minutes ago. I was dead wrong.

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NESSI3 -12 points 2 years ago

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