(yes, it even uses less water in water-scarce places)
Other Plant Milks > Almond Milk > Dairy Milk
3 years ago by usernamesAreTricky to c/memes
usernamesAreTricky 1 point 3 years ago
I'm going to shamelessly steal that borrow that
wintrparkgrl 10 points 3 years ago
oat milk is the best I've ever had, it's the only one someone has given me and i didn't immediately identify it as not real milk
wesley_cook 3 points 3 years ago
Oat milk is the way
TheAnonymouseJoker 9 points 3 years ago path: 0 636, hotness: undefined, score: 9, children: 25
usernamesAreTricky 3 points 3 years ago
Depends on where you live. In some parts of the world, it's already cheaper. It's worth noting here that the dairy industry receives massively outsized subsidies compared to other industries all around the world
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usernamesAreTricky 1 point 3 years ago
Standard pratices in the dairy industry are pretty brutal and really the only way to make anything cheap. For instance, what happens to the male calves after they are born? They are separated from their mothers and then shortly killed because they don't produce milk
If you want something looking at Indian dairy farms in particular:
We found serious welfare violations on every farm we visited [over 100], including cows tethered with ropes so tightly that they couldn’t move and babies torn away from their mothers. Animals spent their entire lives tied with ropes so short they could barely lay down.
Cows were injected with harmful drugs that caused painful symptoms of labor and destroyed their reproductive systems under the mistaken notion that they increased milk production. Our investigators documented routine use of these drugs, though they are banned by the Indian government.
We even witnessed a cow being bludgeoned with a hammer, in a heartbreaking act of cruelty.
Sadly, these are all considered standard practices in India, the world’s largest producer and consumer of dairy.
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Ephera 0 points 3 years ago
It's generally assumed that oat milk will easily become cheaper than cow milk when mass production takes off. It requires fewer resources (no cows consuming energy) and the process is easy to automate.
But yeah, for now, lactose-intolerant and vegan folks need to pay high prices to kickstart that...
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Tangentism 1 point 3 years ago
To make them cheap, make it yourself.
Making oat milk is a really simple process & to make it more like commercially available products, you can add various other ingredients such as xanthan gum to bind it as well as various things for flavour such as a small amount of cinnamon.
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Tangentism -1 points 3 years ago
Nobody has the time to do that.
Plant milks need to become way cheaper than currently 5x the cost for me in India.
So you have 3 choices there:
- Examine your time management as you will have time that youre actually just procrastinating or pursuing bullshit that doesnt really matter as much as you think. (Dont lie - Very few people actually dont).
It takes 10 minutes to make a batch. Less time than will take you to walk to a shop (see here for a simple recipe/process: https://minimalistbaker.com/make-oat-milk/ )
Pay 5x the cost for plant based products - is your time really worth that much in exchange for the convenience?
Keep drinking disgusting cows milk.
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Ilikemoney 6 points 3 years ago
I like oat milk. It tastes the best and it's one of the least environmentally impactful, I think
usernamesAreTricky 2 points 3 years ago
Oat milk is pretty solid across all metrics:
CCatMan 1 point 3 years ago
Easiest to make at home, no need to buy EXCEPT for convenience. You can also get calcium powder to add to what you make so..yeah. oat "milk" is the best really. Love it.
With all this said, I do love to taste of Horizon UHT whole milk that my kid drinks... Lol so if I forget to make my oat milk, I grab one of these.
dessalines 1 point 3 years ago
How does it work? I'd love to not have to buy oat milk anymore, but I've never had good results trying to make it at home.
Magusbear 4 points 3 years ago
It's pretty much a blender with a tank, a heating function and self-cleaning. It has different options for different type of plant milks, which (I suppose) change how much it heats the water and how long it blends everything. Which is pretty much what they do for the store bought oat milk as well.
What makes the biggest difference in taste though is not the maker itself (although it does make a difference) but using Amylase when you're done blending. It's an enzyme that breaks starch into sugar. Without it the oat milk will probably be pretty thick or even kind of slimy. As far as I know it is also used in store bought milk to give it a natural sweetness.
WhoRoger 5 points 3 years ago
I don't know if there's any way for humanity to continue at all at this point, it seems that whatever is done, there's always a downside to it. Never mind the cost (not just monetary) to an average person regarding many of the alternatives.
Weaselmaster 2 points 3 years ago
It is BONKERS to me that I get up-charged $1 to have 6oz. of steamed oat milk in my coffee instead of cow’s milk. Carbon footprint of oat milk is tiny by comparison, cost of production is lower, WTF?
SnowBunting 1 point 3 years ago
Subsidies on cows probably.
usernamesAreTricky 1 point 3 years ago
Yeah, though it's worth pointing out here again that dairy milk is still worse in that regard in those regions:
One graph even has California's animal feed water usage so large it actually goes off the chart at 15.2 million acre-feet of water (it is distorted to make it fit as it notes). For some comparison, the blue water usage of animal feed is larger than all of almonds water usage of ~2 million acre-feet of water
Pastures themselves are often in areas that don't receive much rainfall and need watering. For example, one chart from 2003 put California's water usage just for pastures higher than crops from human consumption. Since then the rankings may have changed a tiny bit, but the water usage is still enormous just on pastures alone
yozul 1 point 3 years ago
Oh absolutely. I'm just saying that in ways other than water use almond milk is actually better than a lot of other plant based milks. It's just the combination of high water use and being mostly grown in an area suffering from a major water shortage that makes other plant based milks a clearly better choice if they're practical for you. It's still better than cow milk though.
usernamesAreTricky 1 point 3 years ago
Certainly, that's what I thought you were saying, but I just wanted to clarify for others as well
bec 1 point 3 years ago
Soy is great. IMO it tastes worse than oat when it's basic milk (no flavorings etc.) but if I'm not mistaken it has much better nutritional values and so much protein I simply can't pass on it (as a vegan I get basically 0 protein a day, as you would probably know, and soy milk is the only source of it)
usernamesAreTricky 0 points 3 years ago
You likely get more than you might think from other foods. A surprising number of foods have decent amounts of protein that you wouldn't expect and that can add up
usernamesAreTricky 0 points 3 years ago
Ah lol
Kerrangutan 3 points 3 years ago
I'd happily switch to a non-dairy alternative, but finding a plant-milk that has the right mouthfeel seems to be an uphill challenge.
Kerrangutan 1 point 3 years ago
I'll have to give it a try
honeyontoast 2 points 3 years ago
So I don't think it was the intended purpose, but I recommend trying barista styles. I was the same, I found the nondairy alternatives too watery, like skimmed milk. However getting ones that call themselves barista style fixes that, the viscosity is closer to real milk. Personally I go for Oatly, you can probably guess what it uses. Will vary based on location of course.
Kerrangutan 2 points 3 years ago
I'll have a loook next time I'm in Tesco
usernamesAreTricky -1 points 3 years ago
I haven't personally tried these, but there are some plant milks that try to be closer to dairy out there like NotMilk, NextMilk, WonderMilk, etc. I've also read that peamilk is generally pretty close to dairy
offthecrossbar 2 points 3 years ago
wellllllllllllll that's going on the ol shopping list tyvm
resignedOctopus 1 point 3 years ago
I've never seen hazelnut milk in Germany. That sounds insanely good
Duke_Nukem_1990 2 points 3 years ago
I saw it in Edeka i believe. It's very "heavy" and creamy.
resignedOctopus 2 points 3 years ago
Sadly no Edeka near me. Will have to check that out in the future
Duke_Nukem_1990 2 points 3 years ago
I just checked and what I meant was the Haselnussdrink from Alpro, so they should have it in other stores as well. Good luck!
Weaselmaster 1 point 3 years ago
Too nutty for me - gets in the way of coffee flavor, IMO.
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FarmerDrone 0 points 3 years ago
I am using job's tears milk (soaking oats in, later adding fruits) as a breakfast.
General_Butt_Naked 0 points 3 years ago
Veganism is a scam and leads to malnutrition. Plant based milks are processed garbage and unhealthy.
FarmerDrone 2 points 3 years ago
I agree. I eat a lot of meat. But one day in the week I have oats with fruits as breakfast. Having no access to raw milk, i looked for replacement to soak the oats in. First a ricemilk, but after having found out it had some form of soy added, i dumped it. The job's tears is 100% pure. excellent replacement IMO.
General_Butt_Naked 2 points 3 years ago
Whoops was meaning to reply to the post rather than your comment. Hope you find a raw milk source. Recently lost my cow milk source so I know how that goes. Got some goat milk, but it's pricier not great for making butter.
usernamesAreTricky -2 points 3 years ago
It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes. Plant-based diets are more environmentally sustainable than diets rich in animal products because they use fewer natural resources and are associated with much less environmental damage. Vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions, including ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity. Low intake of saturated fat and high intakes of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nuts, and seeds (all rich in fiber and phytochemicals) are characteristics of vegetarian and vegan diets that produce lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and better serum glucose control. These factors contribute to reduction of chronic disease
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