Also, that's not the fucking point. The vaccination protects everyone, even if you aren't at a high risk of death from COVID. Every infection is an opportunity for mutation, and every vaccination brings us closer to herd immunity.
themeatbridge 59 points 2 years ago
OpenStars 22 points 2 years ago
They aren't real big on "facts", those who are saying the opposite... It's more like a "feels like" statement, which they repeat b/c someone on the TV or radio said it, therefore it must be true.
OpenStars 3 points 2 years ago
Omg that's what really blew me away, all these "Pro-Life" people, some who are legit or at least believe they are e.g. they would adopt kids to prevent them growing up not taken care of, basically killing people, more or less knowingly, and they neither care nor even so much as (choose to) see the contradiction.
chicken -8 points 2 years ago
We're already at a point where almost everyone has either been vaccinated or infected, but neither prevents you from getting sick again or from transmitting covid without realizing you are sick. IIRC the herd immunity stuff people were talking about at the beginning was being hopeful that transmission could be reduced enough to stop the virus from sustaining itself in the population, but it turned out to be too infectious for that to work. Not to say it isn't worth getting vaccinated to reduce your own chance and severity of illness but at this point will it really be making that much difference in how many people get sick?
themeatbridge 13 points 2 years ago
Yes, a thousand times yes.
Pardon me for being uncivil, but your ignorance is violence. People like you are the reason people like me (immunocompromised) have died. Even years after the first infection, in the face of mountains of data and the advice of experts, you're still sharing moronic, anri-intellectual talking points spread by conservatives to help them stay in power.
A vaccine does not eliminate your chances of getting sick, it reduces your chances of getting sick. Herd immunity was both achievable and observed in communities that weren't run by dipshits. You do not remember correctly.
If everyone had actually gotten vaccinated, it would have saved countless lives and shortened the pandemic. We know this because there are countries that handled the pandemic better than we did, saw fewer deaths, recovered more quickly, and did not experience second- or third-wave variant outbreaks.
chicken -3 points 2 years ago
I think you're making a lot of uncharitable assumptions about what I'm saying, which definitely isn't that it would have been useless to get everyone vaccinated sooner. Taking all available precautions to reduce transmission is of course what should have been done.
I remember people talking about herd immunity as an argument that we should avoid any lockdowns so everyone gets infected and get it over with sooner, because they will then have enough resistance to end the disease in the population. What I mean by 'it turned out to be too infectious' is that the pandemic now continues despite most people having gotten sick, not that efforts to reduce transmission did nothing to help save people.
The main point I'm wondering about here is more about the current role of vaccines, now that almost everyone has an immune system that is familiar with covid. I'm not even asking about this rhetorically, just skeptical that the same logic still applies that did earlier.
John_McMurray -11 points 2 years ago
No. That's just unscientific bullshit. Remember the vaccine never stopped the spread.
mojofrododojo 1 point 2 years ago
It will keep going as the virus mutates and vaccinations lapse.
sp3tr4l 14 points 2 years ago
Yep, a whole bunch of the Q Anon adjacent folks, mostly evangelical extremist conspiracy theorists at this point, were calling the vaccine a 'clotshot' and a bioweapon, and were actually claiming it would kill basically everyone who got it within a year.
Lots of overlap with the people that think 5g is a mind control weapon.
mojofrododojo 3 points 2 years ago
Exactly. https://www.dailykos.com/...
Their own party sacrificed hundreds of thousands of people for bullshit.
Donnywholovedbowling 95 points 2 years ago
By his anti Vax logic...
It's been three years
Shouldn't all the vaccinated be dead by now?
What a moron
Macaroni_ninja 16 points 2 years ago
Yes, still waiting for the Bill Gates microchips to kick in from the vaccines. Maybe its the win 11 upgrade delaying stuff...
breadsmasher 33 points 2 years ago
its funny muski thinks he would be on the side of tyler durden. Absolute fool.
sp3tr4l 27 points 2 years ago
He is essentially the perfect inverse of Durden.
Musk is an immensely wealthy capitalist while Durden eschews basically all material possessions beyond what is immediately useful toward the purpose of destroying the world's financial system.
Musk attempts to revolutionize all kinds of technologies and make them less costly to allow for more widespread and common proliferation, whereas Durden believes in basically a return-to-nature kind of anarcho-primitivism: he hates how technology leads to dull, boring, monotonous, safe lives.
Finally, Durden is actually immensely charismatic to the point of being a cult leader of basically a secret network of terrorists, relishes in near total anonymity and would likely never want wide public credit for his actions... whereas Musk is probably one of the most awkward, poorly spoken dorks who has ever managed to gain an extremely public cult following, basically by promising impossible nonsense, who seeks and needs constant validation and fame.
EDIT: As a further illustration of point 2, if Musk ever dies in a situation where he decides to not pilot the vehicle he is in, it will be because the massive amount of money he has spent to develop a self driving car will prove faulty; a victim of overconfidence in his on wealth, his own leadership, technology. He would be an unwitting victim of his own failed self and worldview.
If Durden would have died in the 'Let Go' scene, he would have been completely fine with the random nature of the universe taking its course, and basically would have enjoyed the sense of being 'truly alive' for the duration he was dancing so close to death.
Kazumara 33 points 2 years ago
Who the fuck ever said that the vaccine was necessary for the survival of most of the population?
For most of us this was about contributing to herd immunity for the benefit of those who were at risk of permanent injury or death from covid, and about lowering the personal risk of going through a bad infection yourself.
DragonTypeWyvern 8 points 2 years ago
Stupid people. Like Elon.
John_McMurray -19 points 2 years ago
Like fucking every face on tv? Ffs.
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DougHolland -1 points 2 years ago
Don't lose that number.
AVincentInSpace 5 points 2 years ago
the vaccine did not make me measurably more autistic than I already was or give me cool magnetic superpowers, I demand a refund of the $0 I spent to get it
thegreenguy 2 points 2 years ago
Send your bank details for a refund
breadsmasher 1 point 2 years ago
ah but how it affect your sexual preferences?
AVincentInSpace 1 point 2 years ago
I uh, um,
SkabySkalywag 16 points 2 years ago
Spoken like a piece of human garbage that thinks all the deaths during the pandemic are not worth remembering.
p5yk0t1km1r4ge 15 points 2 years ago
I'm so so tired of hearing about this jackass. Can we unsubscribe yet
wildcardology 13 points 2 years ago
No, they died on year one.
dotslashme 12 points 2 years ago
10-year old have a better grasp if science.
OsrsNeedsF2P 11 points 2 years ago
Shouldn't all the vaccinated be dead by now?
carl_dungeon 7 points 2 years ago
We’ve had to deal with musk for over three years, shouldn’t musk be dead by now?
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@lemmy.wtf
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Anything that makes you apply your hand to your face.
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@lemmy.wtf
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Anything that makes you apply your hand to your face.
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No, just a higher percentage of em. Which is exactly what happened.
On the other hand, I've heard a lot of antivaxxers proclaim everyone who got the shot would be dead by last year.
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