D&D/TTRPG Creators on this platform

3 years ago by Domille to c/dnd

I like this platform, and hope it succeeds, however I have a question for the community - what are everyone's thoughts on creators? I am one, for transparency-sake, and I am pretty sure we are not wanted here, since most of us have Adventures/ Art / Battle maps / Patreons / Kickstarters / Products to sell, even though we frequently give a lot of stuff for free to the community. Thoughts?

Katt 7 points 3 years ago

You may want to consider creating your own community, specifically made for creators to share their announcements. It the same as allowing users to opt-out of newsletters really: either they are interested in potentially spending money on creations, or they would never consider doing so.

If you go this route, you would definitely be in your right to create a post here to announce the creation of such a community. It's not an ad, it's information linking to a new community which will be a self-promoting platform for creators.

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randomwords 4 points 3 years ago

I am making some assumptions based on some of your other answers, so please correct me if I am wrong.

I love independent creators, especially when they are generous enough to hand out some free content. It certainly wasn't free to create! I would love to have engaged creators in any community.

However, it seems like you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what community engagement should look like. A bunch of posts talking about your products even with some freebies thrown in isn't community engagement, it's advertising.

A better way would be to respond to questions asking for recommendations with info about your products, while also disclosing that you are the author, or maybe even someone else's product of that might be a better fit for their needs.

An even better way to engage is to respond to other people already recommending your products with a thanks and some links to your latest freebies or a note about a upcoming release/Kickstarter.

If you want to be a part of the community then be a part of it, don't just view it as a marketing opportunity. The key is that you shouldn't only be here to sell your stuff.

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Stoneykins 4 points 3 years ago

I'm just confused by what you are asking. Are you asking if this community is OK with you self promoting D&D related stuff you made and want to sell? If it were up to me, I would say yes within reason, no one wants this community to become one loud ad. But I'm not sure the moderator would agree and it is up to them. I don't see a no self-promotion rule yet but maybe message them directly?

If you just want to share content you found and generally participate like normal then I am absolutely sure you are wanted here.

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Domille 4 points 3 years ago

My question was about the community's outlook on the presence of creators in this space - and yes, that means at least some of the stuff they'd post would be self-promotion.

I dont think that the platform should turn into just a wall of ads, all of the subreddits had sensible rules for that, like only posting once a week etc.

The instance that this community is on does not allow ads. I do not know whether self-promotions fall under that... I feel like it does? So that would mean none of us are welcome here, at least in professional capacity.

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Pekka 4 points 3 years ago

You should always follow the rules of the instance, of course. But if you want to do something that is not within the rules of the instance, you can always set up your own instance or find another instance where this is allowed. Even if a community (like a subreddit) on an instance thinks a certain, way, they can't conflict with the instance rules.

Creators would probably have to try sharing things in a way that users would not consider it an add. But those lines would be quite blurry, without any clarification from the instance moderators.

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Domille 2 points 3 years ago

I, myself, have very limited time availability, and I really doubt I would have enough technical knowledge to set up an instance myself. I am also already running 2 discord communities... so right now running an instance on top of that is just not an option. That leaves me I guess just to wait and see if someone else creates something like that. Risking blurring lines on instance rules, investing my time and energy into a community that will likely ban me isn't particularly appealing either :(.

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Pekka 3 points 3 years ago

That makes a lot of sense, hosting an instance is definitely not for everyone. But from what @Stoneykins@lemmy.one posted, it seems things like that would be allowed here. But it might be a good idea to bring this up in !lemmyworld@lemmy.world That is the general lemmy.world community, there we can get input from the instance admins.

Well, based on the linked rules, I guess it should be fine here.

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Stoneykins 3 points 3 years ago

I spent a while looking for a "no ads" rule and then I figured it out.

Your home instance sh.itjust.works , where your account lives, has a rule of no ads. Lemmy.world, where this D&D community lives, does not appear to (yet) have a broad rule against advertisements.

I would still ask the mod before posting self promotion tho.

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Stoneykins 6 points 3 years ago

here are the only rules relevant lemmy.world I could find (from mastadon.world):

"Regarding Spam: We are not your free advertising platform. If you are here only to sell your products or services, you will be removed. Occasional posts of commercial links are OK, but when the vast majority of a user's posts are commercial in nature, we regard the account as a Spam account. Moderators will evaluate reports of Spam on a case by case basis."

so it seems just do it in a restrained way and don't let it be the majority of your content and it should be ok?

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Domille 1 point 3 years ago

I mean... thing is... On reddit i have 80k karma because of my content posts. 99% of my posts there are my content posts. That would be considered "spamming" here, even if I only post once a week.

I'd much rather spend time painting an extra battle map for the community than sit on lemmy to hit whatever quota of interaction to not be considered a spammer.

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Domille 2 points 3 years ago

oh I thought for sure I saw a no ads rule on lemmy.world as well. I am on Gerboa now, no idea how to get to instance rules on this app O.O

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Stoneykins 2 points 3 years ago

yeah gerboa (and lemmy in general tbh) are very unfinished software. I've found if I want to be able to access everything on mobile, going back and forth between gerboa and my mobile browser was necessary.

maybe this link will help? this is the rules for lemmy.world and mastadon.world: https://mastodon.world/about

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VeeSilverball 4 points 3 years ago

One direction to take this conversation is to legitimize a formal ads platform and move the technology in that direction. It's not a concept that has had airtime in federated social(open source, anti-corporate and all) but it fits into the model of enthusiast communities to have a magazine that is "both articles and ads".

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Pekka 2 points 3 years ago

I think that for many users, the situation is not that different compared to back on Reddit, even there sharing things as a Creator was accepted, but only in a limited and reasonable way. Often subreddits required you to share some new free assets, and in that post you could then also promote your Patreon or store. But those assets should be high quality and usable, and not low effort or unusable stuff that is just used as an add.

Sharing Kickstarts is probably more difficult, I guess within the right community that would be fine. But except for the few larger kickstarters by the very large Creators, most D&D players would definitely consider those adds.

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Domille 2 points 3 years ago

I am actually talking specifically about high quality free items that we frequently give to the community, and post our Patreons, shops etc along with them. It does not sound to me that would be allowed here, right? The instance itself prohibits ads.

So I am interested to see what the community thinks about it, given that none of that stuff will ever be permitted here, looks like.

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Brunbrun6766 1 point 3 years ago

Apologies I somehow missed this thread. We are working on a solution to this issue at the moment and will be posting about it very soon. TLDR yes you will be able to self promote, with some caveats on how you go about doing that. This will make more sense soon so please stay tuned.

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Domille 1 point 3 years ago

Thank you!

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