This is called "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish". Microsoft coined the term internally for their responses to open standards in the 90's and 00's.
This is called "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish". Microsoft coined the term internally for their responses to open standards in the 90's and 00's.
Because I remember this https://ploum.net/...
And it feels like deja vu.
I think the argument is that Meta would hoover up and profit from posts from people who don't consent to use it. AFAIK, you can't block an instance from seeing your posts and comments, so the only real option is defederation.
You can't block anything from seeing your posts and comments though. That is point of a free and public space. Defederation isn't doing what you think it is
Sure, websites could scrape and whatnot, but having actual API integration is a very different thing.
only until llm scrapers hit the market. they will make the api requirement negligible. like reddit is finding out now... you can block your api all you want but people are just going to scrape your public site.
Sure, but that's not the issue at all. The issue is that they'd be linking lemmy content from within Threads, as in using Lemmy content to drive engagement for Threads. Whether it's used in an LLM is another matter entirely. Without direct API integration, Lemmy posts and comments won't show up in Threads. That's my take on why people want to defederate.
this is exactly it. these people are posting public information, and are then getting butt-hurt when its used a public resource.
im running an mbin instance (shoutout https://moist.catsweat.com !), which does connect to threads. I purposefully avoided using lemmy as its not capable of doing that. I wanted to give people stuck in the FB walled garden a path out where they could still communicate with their friends and family on threads.
my only concern with threads is one of resource management/volume. I cant have their stream physically take down my server, so that would be the only reason for me to block them.
a rather large lemmy contingent are vehemently, emotionally anti-meta. see also the 'fedipact'
Hey! This looks neat. What is Mbin exactly?
its a lemmy-compatible reddit clone + it has the whole 'microblog' section (ie, mastodon/tweets), so users from mbin can subscribe to and be subscribed from the rest of the 'verse
Alternative to Lemmy, compatible with it: https://joinmbin.org/
What? Let me guess, you're a flat earther too?
I simply don’t trust Meta. That’s all.
All the arguments were had here: https://sh.itjust.works/post/11011288
edit: and the subsequent vote where we decided to defederate: https://sh.itjust.works/post/11308397
Some more discussion on this old post here, both for and against
Thank you for the link
I went to fedi to avoid big corporations and what they've done with social media. Why would I want their platform having access to my posts? I don't trust meta or any of the other big tech companies. In fact, the main mastodon instance I use blocks threads entirely and that's one of the reasons I joined it.
For me it's just "fuck Meta." Fuck that company for coming here.
Lots of people love to defederate anything at the drop of a hat.
That's it.
In reality, threads and lemmy aren't even the same type of thing and are unlikely to intersect on a regular basis, in the same way you don't see many posts from mastodon or pleroma.
One thing I find funny about the whole thing is meta is a bunch of corpos, so it isn't that hard to just get them to defederate from you if you're willing to grow a spine. My network is blocked, and I believe it's because I called the maintainer of fediblock a nazi gestapo a bunch of times and demanded they add my site to their list of wrongthinkers or I'd call them doubleplus ungood, thus getting on a list that mindless drones use because it's easier to just follow orders, regardless of where those orders come from.
lol
Well, this was extremely disappointing. Only one person had a helpful reply, pointing to this link explaining the basics, a couple others vaguely gestured about their distaste of Meta, and everyone else demonstrated an even lesser understanding of the fediverse than I had started with. One particular flat-earther just called me a slag and posted a screenshot of themselves downvoting all my comments.
This discussion has happened several times over the last few months, people are probably over it.
The thread that was linked has 119 comments if you want more opinions on the topic.
If you want other threads
When did anyone disagree with me? Using "autistic" as a pejorative is more revealing oof your character than mine. Good luck!
Or people checked your comment history and saw that your first ever comment was to vote against defederation, and you haven't done anything besides drop pseud-posts whenever people expressed their desire not to federate with Threads. That does not look like good faith engagement to me.
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There's a lot of reactionary anti-corpo types here. There's really no good reason for users to want to defederate from a Facebook owned instance. It's also a pointless stance, as threads is a Twitter/mastodon style site and not really compatible with reddit/lemmy style sites.
There are some technical reasons to avoid federating for those hosting instances. The software forces local copies of everything users subscribe to which is a massive space concern. There's also a problem with performance of syncing that data for large instances that's already a problem with .world size instances, where it can take a day+ to process new comments.
thanks for using Leebra!
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The concept as I understand it is that Threads has the sheer volume of content to completely drown out the existing Fedi content if it fully opens the floodgates. If that occurs and say 90% of content becomes Threads and then they start making Threads only extensions to Activity Pub, servers will have to start patching those in and the Activity Pub project is defacto owned by Meta.
People also have issues with the Meta content moderation and the population on Threads, but as you noted that's fixable on an individual and community level. The existential threat to the future of the Fediverse is why servers should defederate. Meta can't and shouldn't be trusted with any amount of power over this community project.
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