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TheOubliette 23 points 3 years ago

This is an article intending to manufacture consent for larger military spending even as the UK public watches the NHS get slowly privatized right in front of them through ubderfunding. Observe the pattern of sourcing, of who gets a voice, and why this article was written in the first place.

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gary_host_laptop 7 points 3 years ago

It is a double edged sword. On the one side it's the neoliberal agenda coming from Washington telling its European lackeys "Don't spend on the people, spend on the military to keep funding the military-industrial complex" and on the other hand it's material reality showing itself of a debilitated Europe who has accustomed to get its fair share through colonialist and extractionists policies enforced by the bigger player, the US, and now has end up without neither a strong military nor economical presence in the global sphere.

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Munrock 11 points 3 years ago

The British army only needs to be strong enough to perform its two real roles: performative presence to lend 'international' credibility to American projects, and suppressing the people of the British Isles.

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Rumblestiltskin 4 points 3 years ago

These articles are in every country's news media these days. The military industrial complex pushing tax payers in every country to ever increase their revenues.

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gary_host_laptop 4 points 3 years ago

I've only seen this kind of news regarding countries with imperial past, I have not seen much of "Raise the funds that go to the Bolivian Army" kind of stuff. Go figure.

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Rumblestiltskin 2 points 3 years ago

In Canada it is non stop.

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agarorn 1 point 3 years ago

Nice. Do you have an article? It would be soothing for me to see that my country isn't the only one with a shitty army.

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lntl -3 points 3 years ago

The UK kas nukes, they don't need an army. There's never been a country with nukes that's had their mainland invaded.

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Rumblestiltskin 4 points 3 years ago

Nukes don't matter when the UK isn't being directly invaded. They can never use nukes in a war that does not involve their possible destruction.

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emerty 2 points 3 years ago

Agree. It's an easily defended island, the days of having a standing army of 100k are well over.

It's going to be AI and drones, not boots on the ground.

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solargeek -8 points 3 years ago

NATO members in general are too comfortable relying too much much on the U.S. defense umbrella. It is something the U.S. has been warning NATO members about for a long time. It's meant to be a collective defense. What's happening in Ukraine should be a loud wakeup call.

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gary_host_laptop 10 points 3 years ago

It's something the US has basically enforced, it's their excuse to things like military bases in Okinawa, which goes against Japan's ideas of not having an army (even though the JSDF has broken this promise of sorts). More military spending it's not going to bring any good to anyone, specially coming from Europe and its record, specially the Brits.

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emerty -4 points 3 years ago

More military spending it's not going to bring any good to anyone, specially coming from Europe and its record, specially the Brits.

Ask the Ukrainians how they feel about the Brits rn

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gary_host_laptop 3 points 3 years ago

Ask any of this countries, also include a couple more, Argentina specially, and since we're are it include all of Latin America since nobody wants them here, how they feel about the Brits. Ah, yeah, I forgot, one European country counts as x100 in contrast with a shitty third world country like ours in your book.

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emerty -1 points 3 years ago

Argentina? Lol. You invaded UK territory that has oil reserves, what did you expect? A cucumber sandwich and some tea?

Neighbours mean more than strangers, pre Russian invasion no one really cared about Ukraine either. But when they asked for help in 2014 the UK, Canada etc helped.

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solargeek -10 points 3 years ago

We've had multiple presidents get on their soapbox about defense budgets in Europe. One fat orange man in particular. He's a corrupt idiot but he wasn't wrong about that. The NATO % GDP benchmark is not onerous. Only military capability will deter some actors as clearly evidenced most recently in Ukraine.

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redditors_re_racist 6 points 3 years ago
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emerty -3 points 3 years ago

Has Russia invaded a NATO country? No

Should Europe have done more in 2014? Yes

Would Ukraine have been destroyed if they hadn't received training from NATO members since 2014? Maybe

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gary_host_laptop 6 points 3 years ago

Left wing liberals agreeing with right wing liberals when it is convenient for them. A tale as old as gold.

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fomo_erotic -5 points 3 years ago

NATO members in general are too comfortable relying too much much on the U.S. defense umbrella. It is something the U.S. has been warning NATO members about for a long time. It’s meant to be a collective defense. What’s happening in Ukraine should be a loud wakeup call.

I'm fine with NATO members relying on the US defense budget as long as they spend their money on socialist programs at home. The US could provide the best socialist safety net on the planet, and still outspend the rest of the world 40:1 on defense if it would just tax the rich. Tax capitol gains like income as well, and 80% tax on everything over 20 million a year, 95% tax on everything over 200 million a year, and 99% tax on everything over 1 billion a year.

Boom now we can do the best socialized medicine on the plan and have enough left over to build a couple hundred new NATO bases where ever member states want them.

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PolandIsAStateOfMind 3 points 3 years ago

Welfare programs in capitalist countries are not socialism. "Socialism program" would be collectivisiation of the means of production.

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CompassInspector -5 points 3 years ago
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CannotSleep420 4 points 3 years ago

Socialism according to leftcoms.

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PolandIsAStateOfMind 3 points 3 years ago

You want to abolish commodity production in the low phase of socialism? Lol.

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fomo_erotic -7 points 3 years ago

Welfare programs in capitalist countries can be socialism.

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PolandIsAStateOfMind 3 points 3 years ago

No, by definition they aren't. You added the "-ism" incorrectly, you should stop at "social programs".

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