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seaQueue 50 points 2 years ago

Proving once again that it's time for emulator developers to publish code on a federated git platform with TOR capability.

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Predator 18 points 2 years ago

Torzu is just that.

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scarilog 12 points 2 years ago

Website keeps plugging telegram, fuck that

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DoucheBagMcSwag 4 points 2 years ago

There is no website

Only an onion /Tor link is the real deal. All others on the "open web" are copycats

Hence TORzu.

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Predator 1 point 2 years ago

Torzu doesn't have telegram, you got scammed

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DoucheBagMcSwag 2 points 2 years ago

No release's though which means that's our for the majority of users

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Fijxu 26 points 2 years ago path: 0 12670702, hotness: undefined, score: 26, children: 0
Grass 22 points 2 years ago

inb4 the appearance of forks called buymiinx, suemiinx, and hijinx

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NuXCOM_90Percent 6 points 2 years ago

Of course there will be dozens of forks. But there won't be significant development on those forks (and there may be malware added to those forks...). Which means that ryujinx today is ryujinx until the end of time, most likely.

Like... how much meaningful development has been done to all those yuzu forks everyone was frantically making?

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Pilferjinx 5 points 2 years ago

Pilferjinx?

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merthyr1831 21 points 2 years ago

One day we'll have Switch 2 Devs working from somewhere like Russia so Nintendo can't send Pinkertons to their front door to enforce the plumber's demands

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terusgormand8465 1 point 2 years ago

They'll never learn to do it proper like that.

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altima_neo 15 points 2 years ago

RIP

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toastal 14 points 2 years ago

Reminder: don’t put your code on a corporate-owned code forge like Microsoft GitHub. That corporation is interested in helping other corporations like what happened with youtube-dl, et al. so don’t be surprised if your code get censored, or they aide in DCMAs (not to mention locking all of your communications & contributions to a proprietary platform that blocks users based on US sanctions). Use a nonprofit, or better, self-host your code forge—& set up mirrors to be resilient.

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anas 16 points 2 years ago

Ryujinx was taken down by the author because they made a private agreement with Nintendo directly, GitHub was not involved.

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toastal 6 points 2 years ago

This time. If the maker refused, Nintendo would have just told Microsoft to take it down & it would have happened.

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anas 4 points 2 years ago

There was no illegal code, no reason for Microsoft to take any action. There’s a reason this was not a DMCA.

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rayman30 -23 points 2 years ago

I feel this was only a matter of time, as there is no legal way to dump your games, so emulating the Switch is a very gray area

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A_Very_Big_Fan 50 points 2 years ago

Since when is it illegal to dump games? I understand distributing them being illegal but this is my own hardware, if I wanna dump BotW to my Deck I'm gonna dump it

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PlasticExistence 23 points 2 years ago

In the USA if you are circumventing some digital lock (encryption) in order to create the backup, it is illegal. The DMCA fucked us out of our rights to an archival copy.

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subignition 4 points 2 years ago

If anyone knows from a more technical perspective - where exactly would the DRM breaking come into play?

I think I understand correctly that to take (for example) a Switch cartridge and pull out the game on it in a way that it could be playable on an emulator involves breaking DRM somehow.

But if that requires cracking or decrypting, shouldn't it also be possible to pull a copy of the protected software off the cartridge? And have an actual unmodified backup of the software that couldn't be played in an emulator without modification, but could still be read by the original hardware?

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drspod 4 points 2 years ago

Isn't that exactly what copy protection is supposed to prevent? If you can read data from the cartridge and then put it on some other medium that still works in original hardware then what you've done is copied the game.

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mamotromico 2 points 2 years ago

From what I understand the dmca backup issue only comes into play when it involves emulation, yeah, because you either need to reproduce the decryption mechanism or bypass it, and both could be argued to be “circumvention of encryption” which comes into play on the DMCA stuff.

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PlasticExistence 1 point 2 years ago

As far as I know, that would be legal. It’s the circumventing of the encryption that’s problematic. I am not a law stylist though.

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Vendetta9076 23 points 2 years ago

Dumping games isn't illegal. Honestly them making it almost impossible should be illegal.

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Dudewitbow 6 points 2 years ago

dunping games is drm breaking, and depends on which country you live in on whether its legal or not.

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Takumidesh 6 points 2 years ago

I don't understand why you are downvoted, we might not like it, but it's true. Circumventing drm is not legal.

The DMCA states: No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.

And defines circumventing as: (A) to "circumvent a technological measure" means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner; and

(B) a technological measure "effectively controls access to a work" if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work.

Which means that it doesn't even need to be good drm, a rot13 'encryption' is good enough.

Violations of the DMCA can be criminal and can result in prison time.

Dumping a game cart or digital download on switch cannot be done without circumventing drm, and is therefore, unequivocally illegal, unfortunately.

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Dudewitbow 7 points 2 years ago

some people vote by emotion which I don't mind downvotes by any means, as long as theyre aware that thats kinda what reality is. Im pro dumping and extremely pro emulation, but im not gonna sit here and say that circumventing drm is legal in every country in the world.

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Vendetta9076 1 point 2 years ago

It is legal to circumvent DRM in certain cases. Format shifting is one such case.

also iirc it doesnt cirvumvent the drm. it dumps the whole cart, including the drm itself.

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Vendetta9076 0 points 2 years ago

Actually that's incorrect. It falls under format shifting and is therefore legal

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Dudewitbow 5 points 2 years ago

format shifting is not a globally recognized right, again, goes back into the situation where the laws vary globally

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LodeMike 6 points 2 years ago

The software is perfectly legal.

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Confetti_Camouflage 5 points 2 years ago

Assuming USA:

The software can absolutely be declared illegal under DMCA and has already been done to the DVD decrytion software DeCSS. Nintendo would just have to convince the courts that the primary purpose of the software is to circumvent their DRM, and I doubt any lawyer would want to defend that when circumventing copy protection is absolutely happening.

Relevant DMCA passage:

Section 1201(a)(2) of the Copyright Act, part of the DMCA, provides that:

"No person shall . . . offer to the public, provide or otherwise traffic in any technology . . . that---

"(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under [the Copyright Act];

"(B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under [the Copyright Act]; or

"(C) is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that person's knowledge for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under [the Copyright Act]."

The injunction that was granted: https://cryptome.org/dvd-mpaa-3-pi.htm

Court's findings and arguments for granting the injunction: https://cyber.harvard.edu/...

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_number

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LodeMike 3 points 2 years ago

Fair. Thank you for this write up. I love (/s) our pay to win legal system!

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merthyr1831 4 points 2 years ago

Nintendo's legal argument is that the encryption that is reverse-engineered to circumvent copy-protection is protected intellectual property.

Anyone can copy the contents of a switch ROM (more of a glorified SD card anyway) but the million-dollar question is whether their proprietary encryption can be broken legally.

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LodeMike 1 point 2 years ago

Isn't the encryption algorithm open? That's what matters. It's AES, no?

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MachineFab812 1 point 2 years ago

... and if so, a key/password is not legally protected. Have Lexmark's bullshit to thank for that precedent.

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