I dont understand the downvotes on some of these anti-signal arguments. There are a number of very valid arguments against Signal if privacy is your chief concern: they have centralised servers, they've been extremely lax with adding their production updates to their publicly available source code on github, they receive funding from RFA.
Yup, would probably get more people to join by just using Discord at this point.
Don't want Signal with randoz. Try SimpleX, easy mutli-accounts.
Or Simplex Chat
Would be the most appropriate in this case as people don't need to hide when talking in public groups
Seen a lot of different opinion in this, but personnaly I would recommended this.
SimpleX, for the most privacy (but not really appropriate here) Wouldn't use any of threema wire and else, as it's not the best.
A good option in the case of this project is a matrix server, if the group is public it's the best thing. Try to host it somewhere else than matrix.org. Will have no real hiding but surely anonymously if done correctly
SimpleX maybe 😁
Yeah not doing Signal with randos.
Actually it's not burning my battery so much, but I can understand
Lol not in Signal
Basically a app that lock you with a phone, giving you only one account. Centralized servers. Not good.
Good for some use cases. Only if the Signal Foundation stays in the current track and it doesn’t go south like with Mozilla.
For a privacy chat group with random people, maybe another app would be a bit better.
Personnaly I would recommended SimpleX for small groups and 1:1, only a bit less uglier
Because you can't have privacy if a company asks for your phone number.
The NSA
Not for everyone. Check your privilege.
Known what's easier? A username.
What @jagged_circle said but also. Even if you were lucky enough to be born in a country where you don't have to give government I'd and thumb print just to get a goddamn sim card. It is still feasible to trace it back to you if you are not careful and there are a lot of ways you can slip up.
Like if you use a phone/device which is know to be yours then even if you buy new prepaid sim card anonymously your ID will be revealed due to same IMEI.
Or if you turn it on in a public area where cops know that you are there (maybe because they caught you on a camera) even though this is public area how many people connected to that tower are using burner sims, and how many of those are into extreme privacy or into something they suspect you to be involved.
And so many other scenarios and at the end it will come down to humane error which will be very tricky to avoid in this case. Whereas in case of being online you can properly setup iptable rules. Qubes, whonix, etc. Test it yourself that even if your VPN/TOR/I2P/etc. Goes down you're not reviling your true IP
Do it on Wire and I'm in. No way I'm giving you my phone number.
This is a privacy community ffs
Where's the option to hide if from signal?
Yes. We should not be recommending it here in this community.
if it's free, you're the product.
signal seems really good right now, with open source clients, but they already show that they'd like to keep the ecosystem locked down by not allowing 3rd party clients. at some point they will need a way to pay for their datacenters, and even if they claim the foundation or whatever is doing well, i can see the pestering for donations getting much worse in the future.
that said, threema is far from optimal too, im still waiting for matrix servers to become solid options. last time i wanted to set up synapse, the only captcha they supported was fucking Google captcha :|
it's generally true, but Signal is asking for and depends on donations because they have no other revenue source (unlike google which does not ask for donations because indeed they monatize you, the "product").
Your arguments don’t really make sense in the context of you asking for Threema instead, even if you acknowledge that it isn’t optimal.
[Signal] already showed that they'd like to keep the ecosystem locked down by not allowing 3rd party clients
Neither does Threema, it is a closed eco system? And in fact there is Molly, a hardened Signal fork for Android
At some point they will need a way to pay for their datacenters, […] i can see the pestering for donations getting much worse in the future.
Threema is a paid app though. So you consider an app asking for donations worse than a paid one? I agree though that their financials aren’t the best, since they seem to be living off a loan, but thats even more an argument to donate.
I mean, those are valid concerns. Most messaging apps require a server to be running at all times. If there is only one centralized server, costs will start to pile up, so they'll need a way to make money; either by asking for donations, making a paid tier or by selling your data.
Have fun paying to be the product, LMAO
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Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.
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The divide in these comments perfectly encapsulates why nothing ever gets done when it comes to privacy
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