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Uniquitous 28 points 3 years ago

A cult happens when there's one guy at the top who knows it's all bullshit. Religion happens when that guy is dead.

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raspberriesareyummy 5 points 3 years ago
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Supervisor194 12 points 3 years ago

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housepanther 10 points 3 years ago

I can get behind this!

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boeman 7 points 3 years ago

Are we starting a cult?

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housepanther 3 points 3 years ago

If I were both smart and had no morals, then fuck yeah I would. I'd do it to milk as many people for money as possible. But I have integrity, empathy, and compassion so there's no way I would ever do it.

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Lapus 2 points 3 years ago

That's 100% my problem. Damn conscience.

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scarabic 7 points 3 years ago

The really funny thing is how cults grow into big religions and then big religions subdivide into these denominations that fight forever about who is the “correct” one.

Literally Sunni / Shia started as: after Mohammed died, should Muslims follow his son or his chief cleric.

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joyjoy 6 points 3 years ago

The difference is in one of them, the founder is dead.

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merde 1 point 3 years ago

scientology is considered a cult and its founder is dead

🤔

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Kolanaki 5 points 3 years ago

I was reading about Dionysus the other day and his cult sounded pretty fucking dope. We should bring that shit back. Bacchanals all up in this.

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Hypersapien 1 point 3 years ago

Please elaborate

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oshaboy 5 points 3 years ago

I mean, that's the classical definition of a cult. But a modern definition of a cult is a group of people living under an authoritarian religious leader.

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MasterNerd 1 point 3 years ago

I'm not a big fan of using the word cult anymore because it's definition is so dilutes. I like the term High Control Group. It's a lot more transparent as to what it is. Fits basically everything classically considered a cult, and leaves out the more benign religions that aren't hurting anyone

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eestileib 1 point 3 years ago

"Benign religions that aren't hurting anyone"

Ain't. No. Such. Thing.

Religions cannot exist without an outgroup to reject together.

Just like you can't become a Dolphins fan without hating the Jets (or Spurs/Arsenal or whatever rivals you have locally).

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MasterNerd 1 point 3 years ago

Good to know the edgy antithiests from 2016 Reddit are still around

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mookulator 4 points 3 years ago

Our religion is the true path to salvation! Please ignore all those other ones.

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Lifter 3 points 3 years ago

That's a recursive definition. I wonder if that was intentional.

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Mdotaut801 3 points 3 years ago
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Kolanaki 17 points 3 years ago

My understanding of Christianity, growing up Christian, was that Christianity is forced upon most people who now believe in it. Indoctrination is a key part of missionary work.

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RekcuffuckeR 9 points 3 years ago

My guess is it's just what they were raised into and most don't care to question it. I might be wrong

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SuddenDownpour 2 points 3 years ago

It's the result of several different avenues.

During life in slavery, religion would be presented as the place where the little morals slavers displayed came from. "Sure, this asshole has you enslaved, forces you to work most of the day, whips you and will possibly rape your daughter, but the reason he [small act of generosity] is because he's Christian". The same religious ideology ultimately condoned slavery, but it wasn't presented to them that way.

If a slave wanted to learn to read and the means were presented to them, the Bible would be present in some way or another.

During the early decades after emancipation, Christianity was already somewhat entrenched among black people, so the place where they'd gather together in community would be religious rituals.

From that point onwards, black communities being Christian was a self-perpetuating dynamic.

It wasn't something born out of rationality with all options and perspectives being presented to them, but rather due to circumstance, lesser evils and lack of better alternatives. There are black people who see things the way you have explained it to them - but only after the process of deconversion, which tends to get one alienated from their community.

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merde -17 points 3 years ago

first: there are no black (or white (or yellow!)) people. It's a colonial and racist heritage to talk about "black people".

2nd: There were christian communities (or kingdoms) in africa before anybody in europe (let alone americas) heard about jesus

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fkn 5 points 3 years ago

This is patently untrue and a form erasure.

There are black Americans. If you talk to them, and ask if they are African American they will tell you no, because they are not African. They are just Americans. Same as the are white Americans.

You don't get to choose.

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Lapus 1 point 3 years ago
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merde -5 points 3 years ago

i know that in "America", still to day, people who are "imported" from Africa during colonialism are called "black". Racial theories of the past are banalized today.

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fkn 3 points 3 years ago

This right here is racism. The "I know where black people came from." Racism. The micro-agressions of erasing a swath of people's existence. The inability to even say the word slavery, denying an entire sorrid period of American history. The fucking audacity to say that a black or African or African Americans lived existence is trivializing their past.

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Hypersapien 4 points 3 years ago

We acknowledge that the way we divide ethnic genetic variety into different races is a social construct, entirely invented by humans. But denying that race exists at all does no favors to the victims of racism.

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merde 2 points 3 years ago

yes, you're right.

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Mdotaut801 2 points 3 years ago
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Lapus 6 points 3 years ago

He obviously doesn't have black friends.

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merde -4 points 3 years ago

i don't have "black friends". i have friends that have different skin colors (if that's what you need to read to continue to feel uncomfortable with what i write).

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merde 0 points 3 years ago

thank you?

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FlyingSquid 1 point 3 years ago

I'm pretty sure Europeans heard about Jesus when Peter became Bishop of Rome in the first century.

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merde 2 points 3 years ago

yes, you're right. Looks like it was simultaneous.

I was thinking of a more gradual expansion towards Europe through Syria, Anatolia, Byzantium &c. They don't need to establish their religion to run to Rome and tell people there about Jesus. Thank you for taking the time to correct what i wrote and what i had in mind.

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Hypersapien 1 point 3 years ago

Rome didn't convert to Christianity until the 4th century.

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FlyingSquid 1 point 3 years ago

Hearing about is not the same as converted. Some people in Rome became Christians. Hence Peter being Bishop of Rome. It just wasn't a full conversion empire-wide until Constantine.

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0x4E4F 1 point 3 years ago

For example, I'm a part of CTDC.

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Lapus 1 point 3 years ago

And that is?

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0x4E4F 2 points 3 years ago

Cult of The Dead Cow

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