The slander of the DPRK is the biggest slander of a country in history

3 years ago by fire86743 to c/korea

The name has been almost permanently ruined. Whenever people hear of it, they always think of no food, 1984, worshipping the leader, getting your entire family arrested for not doing so, all that stuff. And if you say otherwise, they just call you a propagandist who is hiding the truth. And even if Korea's government does anything like build a water park, people say that it is just to "fool the world into believing they are good". Like they can't even build an entire village without people saying that they are just building it to deceive people.

At least China is taken seriously by a lot of people.

IntoDaLagoon 44 points 3 years ago

Dear angry libs:

The only acceptable opinion for an American to express about the DPRK is contrition for the genocide their government commited there. Anything else will be met with well-deserved mockery.

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fire86743 30 points 3 years ago

P.S.

Dear angry libs:

Cry harder. I want to drink more of your tears.

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AnarchoBolshevik 27 points 3 years ago

Why are you being so mean? Do the lives of millions of entrepreneurs, Japanese patriots, American neoliberals, and other perfectly harmless anticommunists mean absolutely nothing to you?

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fire86743 30 points 3 years ago

Holy shit, just realized that the liberals are already here, didn't expect it to be this fast.

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AnarchoBolshevik 26 points 3 years ago

You should have defended Imperial America and its Korean client state instead. Anticommunists wouldn’t have minded if you did that.

If you said that massacring millions of Koreans and pouring gasoline down their babies’ throats was okay then it’s no big deal.

If you said ‘during the cooperativization period, mass campaigns involving huge numbers of people carried out irrigation works and forest and water conversation projects’ then you need to be deported immediately or given the death penalty, depending on whatever’s less expensive.

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fire86743 29 points 3 years ago

Can't believe that South Korea is often portrayed as this OmG wHoLeSoMe PaRaDiSe!1!1!1! when they legit have a lower birth rate than Japan, have some of the most depressed and suicidal people on the planet, some of the longest workhours, and all this on top of historically existing to be an anticommunist dictatorship.

Meanwhile, North Korea has active worker participation in society at large yet it is portrayed as this bleak dystopia and the worst place on Earth.

Working people so hard that they are driven to suicide just to own the tankies.

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redtea 23 points 3 years ago

…North Korea has active worker participation in society at large yet it is portrayed as…

To the bourgeois, that's exactly a

bleak dystopia and the worst place on Earth.

It's a wonder why the working class don't realise why they have been taught to hate it. I suppose it's mainly because the 'working class' that had been taught to hate it is mostly labour aristocrats and PMC.

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Rasm635u 1 point 3 years ago

I've heard that the Japanese have a word for dying from overwork

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simply_surprise 28 points 3 years ago

Anyone interested in brainwashing and the DPRK should really check out the documentary Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang .

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NothingButBits 27 points 3 years ago

Yeah, the US should be forced to pay reparations to the country for the slandering alone.

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QueerCommie 10 points 3 years ago

They should sue for defamation in the ICC/j

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AnarchoBolshevik 24 points 3 years ago

Parenti quote

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ParentiBot 26 points 3 years ago

The quote

In the United States, for over a hundred years, the ruling interests tirelessly propagated anticommunism among the populace, until it became more like a religious orthodoxy than a political analysis. During the Cold War, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.

-- Michael Parenti, Blackshirts And Reds

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fire86743 18 points 3 years ago

Perfectly describes this.

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RedWizard 13 points 3 years ago

Thanks comrade!

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rjs001 19 points 3 years ago

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ButtigiegMineralMap 10 points 3 years ago

Saw a vid recently like “hey who’s the better korea guys? Comment down below, smash the like button, become a subscriber” and they give the worst one-sided history where they’re like the North invaded and lost, and now they’re trying to stock up on nukes to invade South Korea and possibly destroy other countries as it builds up its military, so who’s the good guy? The comments were 98% “I’m riding with Team 🇰🇷😎🆒👍” like no shit, they didn’t explain it properly and these people only know about K-Pop and nothing else about Korea

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SatanicNotMessianic -9 points 3 years ago

I hear what you’re saying, but I’m not sure building a water park is the boast you think it is.

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ksynwa 21 points 3 years ago

It's like you can't read.

even if Korea’s government does anything like build a water park, people say that it is just to “fool the world into believing they are good”

Clearly this is meant to be an example for twisting anything DPRK does into something sinister.

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SatanicNotMessianic -7 points 3 years ago

So among the two best, most innocent things the DPRK did in the past ten years was building a water park?

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ksynwa 17 points 3 years ago

Really astounding how well you write considering you can't read

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PolandIsAStateOfMind 25 points 3 years ago

He might be a policeman, they always patrol in pairs because one can read and the other can write. Third one sit in the station to monitor those two suspicious intellectualists.

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youCanCallMeDragon -26 points 3 years ago

Please, we are hearing what North Korea is like from people who escaped it as though a prison. They’ve said finding a dead body discarded on the side of the road is a regular occurrence, that the propaganda there is so rampant you never even realize that your “dear leader” is fat until after you leave. When a humanitarian group went to perform cataract surgeries for the blind, they captured footage of the patients literally praying to a picture of Kim Jung Un thanking him for the surgery and promising to work harder in the salt mines.

Seriously, what is your motivation for posting this?

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IntoDaLagoon 28 points 3 years ago

I hear in North Korea, they have no words for love or ice cream, and they make everyone take turns pushing the trains with their feet while overseers hit them with riding crops and yell "yabba dabba doo".

Truly the most monstrous country

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youCanCallMeDragon -20 points 3 years ago

You seem to be suggesting that these examples were made up, but all were taken from primary sources below.

https://youtu.be/Ed4SeoQypy0

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xybxxr

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ksynwa 28 points 3 years ago

The Guardian – Why do North Korean defector testimonies so often fall apart?

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simply_surprise 20 points 3 years ago

I doesn't feel like you've taken a balanced look at all the primary sources available:

https://youtu.be/TUAfLbP-7Lo

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Shinhoshi 8 points 3 years ago

Nice music lol

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youCanCallMeDragon -19 points 3 years ago

I get the distinct impression that all of these replies come from the same person running different accounts. I find it hard to believe that there are this many people replying within minutes to me on Lemmy with such strongly positive opinions about North Korea.

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fire86743 25 points 3 years ago

Seriously, what is your motivation for posting this?

To comment on how paid propagandists have managed to deceive liberals like you into believing that North Korea is an absolute hellhole that lies about everything they say and does ridiculous things but the West totally doesn't lie because they're white fReE aNd DeMoCrAtIc!1!1!1!

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Addfwyn 24 points 3 years ago

I lived there for several months while doing research.

The usual line in response to that is "obviously everything you saw was faked!". I could almost understand that line of reasoning if I were a famous diplomat, but I was a no-name grad student. I seriously doubt I was of such interest to the government that they spent that much effort faking multiple towns, villages, and the entire university I was based out of for months.

I did not see "dead bodies discarded on the side of the road". Yes, the Kim family is very well regarded considering everything they have done for the people. There's far more hero worship of other countries' leaders. Look at how much the British love their monarchy, people were on their knees crying at the recent funeral. The US literally carved busts of their founders INTO A MOUNTAIN. DPRK has extensive mining operations, it is a major industry, but salt is not one of their major mined resources, so you are definitely making that one up.

That's not to say that there aren't difficulties to life there, but much like Cuba the vast majority of economic issues that plague the people are the direct result of US-led sanctions. If the US was less dedicated to starving anyone who dared to oppose them, things would look much different.

Please, we are hearing what North Korea is like from people who escaped it as though a prison.

Defectors famously lie. EIther you make patently absurd claims about the DPRK whenever called upon, or you get ostricized/blacklisted. There's a reason some defectors realise their mistake and try to get back home. Do you honestly think that Kim personally executed musicians, or that people push trains to work every day (instead of...walking?).

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PolandIsAStateOfMind 14 points 3 years ago

but salt is not one of their major mined resources

Well they could mine incredible amount of salt from lib posts and tears.

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arbitrary 3 points 3 years ago

Do you mind sharing what sort of research / studies you were doing? I wasn't even aware that was a possibility.

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Addfwyn 1 point 3 years ago

I was writing about east asian security, particularly in regards to DPRK/South Korea. I was in grad school studying International Relations (specifically International Security) at the time. I am based out of Japan but I spent some time in SK and DPRK both for the research.

It was a while ago, so I am honestly not very confident that if I were writing the same paper today if I would be able to.

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bloubz 20 points 3 years ago

You reammy should view at least the first few minutes of this documentary: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BkUMZS-ZegM&feature=youtu.be I also used to believe the same as you. But defectors don't tell the truth unfortunately

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simply_surprise 20 points 3 years ago

we are hearing what North Korea is like from people who escaped it as though a prison.

Are those people paid for that testimony?

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ksynwa 18 points 3 years ago

the propaganda there is so rampant you never even realize that your “dear leader” is fat until after you leave

Meanwhile in real life:

The Kims looking ripped AF 💪💪💪

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redtea 10 points 3 years ago

What do people who escape western prisons have to say about their countries?

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A community about anything related to Korea, such as news about the countries (DPRK and south), discussion, photos and videos, the language, etc.

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The picture of this Lemmy community is magnolia (목란), the national flower of the DPRK. The background picture is a scenery of Pyongyang.

Rules:

No imperialist apologia. The DPRK didn't start the war. US imperialist invasion was not justified. Neither are their army bases in south Korea. The sanctions were and are not justified.
Be respectful. The imperialist media likes to describe the DPRK people as completely brainwashed, and that it'd be fine to completely destroy that country in an invasion. Don't act like the imperialist media.
Be skeptical of your sources. Don't trust the media that has been known to report many falsehoods about Korea already. (You may still link to them if they write something interesting / worth reading, just be careful.)

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