Ukrainian fencer wants handshake rule changed after DQ

3 years ago by MaiionPostBot to c/sports

Ukrainian fencer Olga Kharlan says rules have to change following her disqualification for refusing to shake hands with Russian Anna Smirnova at the world championships.
ExiledElf 11 points 3 years ago

She’s right. A handshake with someone representing the country currently committing war crimes in your country should not be necessary. Can’t imagine what she must feel when asked to do so.

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Ildar -15 points 3 years ago

You wouldn't believe how many Ukrainians are now working in Russia, and they shake my hand.

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ExiledElf 7 points 3 years ago

That’s great that anecdotally you get people to shake your hand. That doesn’t invalidate the way she feels, nor does it invalidate the fact that Russia is doing some horrible things right now.

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Ildar -2 points 3 years ago

But fencing ridiculous itself nowadays

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Astroturfed 3 points 3 years ago

Is that while you rape their children in front of them on top of their dead wives? Fuck off Putin knob gobbler.

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Ildar -2 points 3 years ago

No, I'm not

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Astroturfed 2 points 3 years ago

Your grasp of English is as soft as your lips on that Russian dick.

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iforgotmyinstance 5 points 3 years ago

If your country is prosecuting a fucking invasion against my country, best believe I'm not going to be civil about it.

Good for her.

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Terces -7 points 3 years ago

Politics should not be dragged into sports. Sportsmanship is something that should surpass politics. That is an easy thing to say as an outsider, and on a personal level I absolutely sympathise with her decision. But at the end I think she knew the rules, she knew the consequences and thus I think the message is stronger if she stays disqualified.

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Savaran 8 points 3 years ago

So you agree that no sport should allow national flags of any kind. Or competing as a representative of any country.

Because doing either of those things mean the sport is being political.

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Terces 0 points 3 years ago

There is a reason that sport was always seen as something that can connect people. Especially in competitions sportsmanship was always seen as something bigger than politics. Of course it is not completely apolitical, but contestants usually still adhered to the rules of their sport. That is why I'm saying that knowingly breaking a quite central rule of her sport and accepting the consequences would be making a bigger point than being annoyed by the fact that the rules are being enforced.

As for your question: yes and no. I prefer to see good competition and usually don't really care for where contestants come from. So I would be fine with removing flags altogether. But I also acknowledge that there are different kinds of "being proud of your country" and that waving a large flag doesn't immediately make you a nationalist. So I'm fine either way. But you make a point, because yes, sport can and often is political. But we should not let politics dictate the rules of a sport. The Sport should come first....

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ExiledElf 1 point 3 years ago

Committing war crimes, murdering civilians, and bombing hospitals is not “politics”

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Terces 2 points 3 years ago

As I said in my other reply further down, I'm admitting that a sport is often not apolitical. But I also think that good sportsmanship should always come before politics.

But your point now is really difficult. The pain that the Ukrainians have to endure is unimaginable, but there has never been a time where blatant generalisations were the right thing to do.

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Repossess6855 -3 points 3 years ago

This is an incredibly objective response, very very valid point. I don’t necessarily agree mind you but you absolutely shouldn’t be downvoted. People are responding with emotion. Downvoting shouldn’t be used to suppress other folks opinions and thoughts.

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