let's cut the "Reddit" circle jerk and start actually making content

3 years ago by Phil to c/lemmyworld

Arcanus 210 points 3 years ago

Be the change you wish to see in the world

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phil299 74 points 3 years ago

I have , amazingly I decided to start two communities, something I have never done before despite the fact I had a 12 year badge and thousands of karma at the other place.

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Track_Shovel 33 points 3 years ago

We don't talk about that other place

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JWBananas 12 points 3 years ago

We don't talk about steve-o!

Huff-mo?

Spezzo?

Idk. I'll try again after more coffee.

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ickplant 14 points 3 years ago

I tried to create a community twice now, but it just sat there spinning after I hit "Create." I'm trying to contribute, dammit.

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phil299 11 points 3 years ago

Yep, sometimes this is happening to me I just open another tab and often the circle spin is irrelevant and the post or whatever has already been created , seems to be a issue with the system.

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ickplant 7 points 3 years ago

It looks like there is already a community with the same name, but when I go there to subscribe, it says "removed by mod." maybe that's my issue. Because even when I try to open new tabs and navigate to the community I'm trying to create, it's not working.

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tsukii 2 points 3 years ago

Also having the same problems here. Looks lile I'm not alone

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ickplant 1 point 3 years ago

What was happening for me is that there was already a community with the same name I was trying to create. But the creator was temporarily banned, so the community didn't show up when I searched for it. Maybe if you change the name, you might be able to create it.

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a_seattle_ian 3 points 3 years ago

I never posted on reddit...but luked for a very long time but I want this place to be better the reddit so bad and so....

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Milan 1 point 3 years ago

Can you create communities outside your own server? My account is hosted on feddit.nl, but that doesn't seem like the right fit for an international community

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davysnavy 105 points 3 years ago

Then post some interesting content. Posts like this aren't helpful

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TragicNotCute 50 points 3 years ago path: 0 294371 294680, hotness: undefined, score: 50, children: 1
Dekthro 32 points 3 years ago

Image

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CaptainApathetic 30 points 3 years ago

Does stealing memes from discord servers and posting them here count? Asking for a friend....

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bdonvr 26 points 3 years ago

Only if they're good

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minimar 22 points 3 years ago

Everything I see on Discord that I think is funny or interesting goes to lemmy. I'm a discord repost bot.

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Glemek 16 points 3 years ago

The content must flow

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Radin 7 points 3 years ago

Good bot

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phil299 6 points 3 years ago

LOL

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chrizbie 3 points 3 years ago

Go for it my guy

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JWBananas 2 points 3 years ago
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sparky 8 points 3 years ago

They say the next GallowBoob has already been born...

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GunnarRunnar 17 points 3 years ago

Well they are encouraging to a degree but please next one of "these" maybe next week? Meta complaints are really drag if they're repeated over and over again.

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tartarsauce 7 points 3 years ago

completely unrelated to your comment but fez pfp! nice game

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davysnavy 6 points 3 years ago

Thanks :D my favorite game

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hoshikarakitaridia 3 points 3 years ago

I wanna post a meme but my instance has issues with image uploads :(

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minimar 9 points 3 years ago

I'd consider switching instances... but you can also just upload images elsewhere to a filehost with direct linking! I like Catbox.

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phil299 6 points 3 years ago

Good call

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chrizbie 4 points 3 years ago

What a neat little website! Thanks for this!! If I had money I'd gol-wait a second

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alanhawks 2 points 3 years ago

They are, though. They’re encouraging and reflect a sentiment other can relate to.

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saucyloggins 1 point 3 years ago

They’re strange to me as well. Some of the communities I’ve subscribed to have already started being active. It’s very encouraging.

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Guy_Fieris_Hair 87 points 3 years ago

I feel like we all just went through a breakup and all we can do is talk about our ex. We know it's stupid, and we found someone else. But for right now, we are rebounding hard on Lemmy.

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Track_Shovel 19 points 3 years ago

Seriously, couldn't have said if better myself.

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Mewtwo 8 points 3 years ago

Voat was great at the beginning until it became a right wing cesspool. But 90% of the posts were about Reddit and circle jerking about how Reddit was so bad. I'm blocking posts/communities that talk about Reddit here to help clean it up.

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Milan 2 points 3 years ago

I remember the first time I visited voat and the top post of the entire site was memorializing Hitler. I wonder why that website doesn't exist anymore...

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samus12345 69 points 3 years ago

Eh, let people get it out of their system. It's gonna be that way for the next month or so anyway since there will be a new influx of users in July when the 3PAs stop working.

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phil299 36 points 3 years ago

This is why I posted, I really think we need to concentrate on unique content now so when the next influx comes we not all naval gazing

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WildfireFailure 14 points 3 years ago

Reddits success was due to the genuineness of conversations. You'd have celebs hop on and not their pr person and engage in meaningful conversation, you'd have amas from unexpected professions and give unknown details about it.

You'd have full rage comics that fit a certain mold and lolcat memes.

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MargotRobbie 13 points 3 years ago

hey its me ur celebrity.

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Papa_Samu 7 points 3 years ago
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cybersandwich 2 points 3 years ago
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phil299 1 point 3 years ago

LOL

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HolyDriver 62 points 3 years ago

But I'm a boring lurker

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dystop 19 points 3 years ago

Just type out whatever thoughts you have, nobody's judging!

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c0c0c0 16 points 3 years ago

Everyone's judging! I'm pretty sure that's how the platform is designed.

But I get what you're saying. I'm just adding my little joke to grow the content library.

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dystop 2 points 3 years ago

Hahaha fair point. And no worries, internet discussion boards are the perfect place to disagree with someone.

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paciencia 2 points 3 years ago

That got me banned pretty fast(1 hour) in lemmygrad.

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NOT_RICK 3 points 3 years ago path: 0 310001 311733 559590 561893, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 1
paciencia 1 point 3 years ago

Also it's not like I was some alt right biggot trolling. I just wanted to talk to other marxists and see how they understand the world. But apparently, all it takes is one tiny disagreement with a mod to get perma banned. I'm not gonna play yesman to some power tripping mod. Hope they enjoy their empty instance, their loss.

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kenoh 14 points 3 years ago

Here's the thing, for this to work out we need the long game. Doesn't matter if you're boring, you know about at least one topic you care about. Make an effort to post once a day about it. You may even have to create the community for you to do that. Pace yourself, this is a marathon, not a sprint. Just remember this can't be taken away from us. Not anymore.

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cloudwalk 4 points 3 years ago

Theoretically it still could be taken away. The bar for that is substantially raised of course, but now each instance is like different countries doing international trade and we could go to war with each other.

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OneDimensionPrinter 2 points 3 years ago

Do we get cool uniforms if we do though?

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mike 9 points 3 years ago

+1

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Mrremrem 7 points 3 years ago

+1

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MargotRobbie 52 points 3 years ago

Shameless self promotion:

I've made Lemmy Scare You! https://lemmy.world/c/lemmyscareyou as an alternative to Nosleep, and Now Lemmy Explain https://lemmy.world/c/nowlemmyexplain as an alternative to ELI5. Hopefully I can make them better than the old places, and I would love if you could start contributing contents there.

Other shameless self promotion: Go watch my movies.

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veroxii 17 points 3 years ago

Great names!

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MargotRobbie 8 points 3 years ago

Thank you! Now here's hope that I can make them great places for everyone.

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Track_Shovel 10 points 3 years ago

I appreciate those puns

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MargotRobbie 7 points 3 years ago

And I appreciate you too!

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Esjee 5 points 3 years ago

Hope lemmy scare you blows up. I used to read no sleep every night before sleeping.

Edit: I'd suggest changing the name of the community to just "Lemmy Scare You". Right now it's also showing spooky stories to scare you in the title name. Also a cover art for the community would make it look more active and might result in more subs

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MargotRobbie 2 points 3 years ago

I'll AI some art for the community banner, really want to get the feeling of people telling scary stories to each other around a campfire vibe down.

I'm worried that changing the name to just "Lemmy Scare You!" could make it less clear about the purpose of the community as a place for creative writing, since it's not ideal for people to post whatever a la r/creepy.

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TheDarkBanana87 35 points 3 years ago

Yeah, totally agree with this post, grew tired of Reddit Circle Jerk. Its like when someone cant move on with their past, so they bring it to every conversation, how their ex (Reddit) used to be, and found a new lover (Lemmy/Kbin) and how things work great with this new relationship

Let's just forget about Reddit. Reddit can do whatever it want's, the user that still on Reddit can also do whatever they want. Lets just focus on growing this new communities, this Fediverse, and do what we can do to make it thrive, and how to make it better for new user, and the less tech savy one

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Zetaphor 20 points 3 years ago

Sure, but "the past" as you refer to it was not even a week ago, and the situation is still actively unfolding.

Communities are growing, OC is being posted, and the lemmyverse is starting to get its legs underneath it. If you look past the reddit related posts you will see this happening all around you.

However most of us haven't even been here a week, communities aren't built overnight. Reddit has 15 years of people creating content and building out subreddits.

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TheDarkBanana87 6 points 3 years ago

However most of us haven’t even been here a week, communities aren’t built overnight. Reddit has 15 years of people creating content and building out subreddits.

I couldn't agree more with your reply. What I'm saying is, lets focus on this new journey. Reddit do have their hiccups when first generally used by its user 15 years ago, and i believe Reddit start just like how Lemmy/Kbin, or any Fediverse app start. Its a bumpy road, but its a good progress

The fact that we interact in this post means that we have the same goal, we enjoy interacting on this platform, and its a good thing. because new users can see that there's activity, there's interaction within Lemmy.

Sorry for bad English :D

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BananaTrifleViolin 9 points 3 years ago

Part of the problem may be the bugs on the Lemmy instances which have not been showing "hot" content correctly. This may be giving a false impression of an obsession over reddit as posts are stuck on the front page?

I've been browsing a few different communities and am finding things are active, they're just not reaching the default Lemmy front pages. Sorting by new or diving deeper into communities shows a lot of new content.

For example I'm currently browsing from Feddit.uk and this seems to have exploded into an active community in just a week; it's really heartening to seen. I've also seen different content when viewing from Kbin based instances like Kbin.Social or Fedia.io (including from Lemmy.world).

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Zetaphor 3 points 3 years ago

This bug has been identified and is resolved in the next version release.

The servers that have been keeping hot updated are manually restarting the backend every so often to unstick the bug

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FaygoBoozer 33 points 3 years ago

We are making content.....we're just also talking about reddit sometimes. Sort by All.

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kinobe 1 point 3 years ago

I've sorted by all (and local), but posts are the same as yesterday. I'm not sure if it's Jerboa or I'm doing something wrong, I'm still trying to get my head around the multiple instances thing.

As opposed to Reddit, Relay still works and I still see content despite unsubbing from many groups that are rioting (one can only see that many John Oliver photos).

Just feels like Lemmy isn't as vibrant as Reddit yet. Here's hoping.

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tomcruise 32 points 3 years ago

I posted some boobs. I contributed.

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dystop 8 points 3 years ago

I too want to see Tom cruise's boobs.

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tomcruise 2 points 3 years ago

If the community gets 1000 followers I'll post my bewbs. -TC

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gloriousspearfish 7 points 3 years ago

Of cause you did Tom.

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LizardKing15 6 points 3 years ago

I'm gonna post mine. Hope you all flat mantits

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tomcruise 2 points 3 years ago

I have no idea what that means but I love how it sounds

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netburnr 4 points 3 years ago

In the jailbait community you moderate? Bad Tom cruise bad

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tomcruise 3 points 3 years ago

That's "operating thetan" to you.

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Nytelock 3 points 3 years ago

Pamela's?

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fross 32 points 3 years ago

I think in terms of link aggregation, there is going to be a fair amount of duplication necessary to get a critical mass of links/content here, that people can interact with. After all, 1% post, 9% comment, 90% lurk.

I'm not suggesting we automate it, but in order to kickstart some communities I'm certainly going to be copying links from some good subs on reddit (if they're open) over here. After all they're just links to other articles/media/etc, they're not exclusive to reddit.

It would be good if everyone who comes over here and subscribes to some communities sees that there are posts going on there. It only takes a couple or a few active people to make a buzz.

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phil299 6 points 3 years ago

This is a sound plan, even if it is only temporary till we hit that critical mass

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RoyalEngineering 32 points 3 years ago

I’m tired of the Reddit and fed drama. Ready to move on.

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iAmTheTot 25 points 3 years ago

Posts like this are just adding to the reddit circle jerk, you know. Don't post shit like this, just post the content you're talking about.

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papalonian 18 points 3 years ago

"Can you guys just start posting the content I like, please?"

I don't like all the reddit posts either but sheesh

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Track_Shovel 7 points 3 years ago

I mean, I feel him to a degree. Since Lemmy isn't quite as big new posts are harder to come by

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lightingnerd 10 points 3 years ago

A much better method is to make a post explaining and encouraging how to contributing to the fediverse. That was what got me posting, someone said something to the effect of "if you really want to see the fediverse thrive, then start adding content to the fediverse!"

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phil299 4 points 3 years ago

Good point, although I don't feel qualified

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original_reader 7 points 3 years ago

You are a human being. You have wishes, dreams, joys, anxieties, hopes, opinions, knowledge, and wisdom. You possess an inner child as well as a rich heart, an amazing mind, and everything in between that makes you, you.

You're qualified.

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phil299 3 points 3 years ago

You are too kind, I am so happy here now, feels just like the old days again

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relative_iterator 9 points 3 years ago

It’s a very fresh topic and still ongoing so of course it’s being talked about. Eventually it will die down then go away. The stuff we don’t need is posts like this.

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Jamie 8 points 3 years ago

Maybe we need a post complaining about posts complaining about Reddit so we can complete the cycle until we need to add another link into the chain.

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Beluuuuuuga 2 points 3 years ago

all for those sweet sweet kbin points

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MeowdyPardner 6 points 3 years ago

Yep, having a bunch of front page posts complaining (not trying to put it harshly) about the content just makes it look like the problem is worse to outsiders and doesn't help perceptions. Let people talk about what they want, but vote accordingly and people will get tired of talking about reddit as less and less people engage with those posts. This post being here is causing more reddit-related engagement. Upvote the kind of content you want to see and it'll rise up higher, becoming more visible and creating a virtuous cycle of positive engagement.

Likewise, my only time spent on reddit is to upvote reddit drama discussion. Doing so will help push people who are "just tired of the drama and want to post" to find the fediverse a more enticing place to participate in.

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phil299 3 points 3 years ago

Great comment

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tal 3 points 3 years ago

Also, it's relevant to a lot of the userbase. Like, this is relevant to something that just personally impacted the majority of the userbase here -- it's gonna probably be of interest.

I do agree with the idea that it's good to get more content up, though. Go find a couple interesting things a day and submit them. I have!

There are also some people at the BotIt magazine on kbin.social working on setting up a bot to mirror Reddit subreddit submissions to kbin magazines, which might help ease disruption for some subreddits.

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klin 2 points 3 years ago path: 0 294575 294651 295991 312734, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
BlackCoffee 25 points 3 years ago

Yes who is gonna post the first AskMen about;

"What is the sexiest sex you ever sexed?"

Edit;
For people interested in Fragrances, I did my part and gonna start to post more often;

https://kbin.social/...

Suggestions are welcome!

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amitten 24 points 3 years ago

I'm in support of this. I was explaining to my wife just a bit ago that most of the "content" on lemmy and kbin is all about lemmy and kbin, and very little about anything else. For those of us coming from reddit, most of the content on reddit isn't about reddit. I'd like it if lemmy and kbin was mostly original content.

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dustojnikhummer 8 points 3 years ago

c/piracy and c/sysadmin are already posting actual content

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LUHG_HANI 6 points 3 years ago

Tbh, all the subs are posting content. It's just lemmy.world is for the discussion of the server not the c/subscriptions

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Double_A 23 points 3 years ago

OP: complains about reddit circle jerk posts by creating a reddit circle jerk post

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phil299 19 points 3 years ago

I know but my little brain could not work out a way to highlight the issue any other way

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feidry 8 points 3 years ago

I've been thinking the same thing but couldn't figure out how to talk about it without talking about that other place. Pretty tired of hearing about the other place, tbh

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phil299 5 points 3 years ago

Yep, that's why I just went ahead and posted , actually really happy the way the thread has gone, on the most part people saying what they want and what they are doing . Clearly there is a learning curve here for many of us and that too gets addressed , way to go us:-)

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localteen 12 points 3 years ago

You know the rule, gotta go meta before you can be betta.

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ininewcrow 1 point 3 years ago

Classic reddit circle jerk complaint ... a user complaining about circle jerking, by creating a circle jerk and a third party pointing out the circle jerk

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wotsit_sandwich 22 points 3 years ago

If you want to post about your poor performance in a 3 year old Switch game you are welcome to join my community crappyanimalcrossing.

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TeaHands 12 points 3 years ago

You son of a bitch, I'm in

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lebronjames 21 points 3 years ago

Fuck Steve Huffman

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Che_Donkey 21 points 3 years ago

Happy to get away from collapsing the first 10 comment threads to get to good reading.

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Joebiden 20 points 3 years ago

Joe Biden is here.

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Skullfurious 6 points 3 years ago

Wakeeeee uuupp

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possiblylinux127 5 points 3 years ago

How's the weather in Washington?

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EnderofGames 2 points 3 years ago

Rainy, probably.

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steelrat 4 points 3 years ago

Joe Byron, take me out to dinner.

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unguided_rehire 1 point 3 years ago

BING BONG

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bicyclingdonkey 1 point 3 years ago

SODAAAA

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damipereira 20 points 3 years ago

I've been trying to post content on all niche subreddits I used to lurk in. I basically get the non-reddit links and useful resources and start sharing them here.

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eating3645 19 points 3 years ago

As long as I can jerk I don't care about the shape. Circle, square, rhombus, you name it, I'm in.

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phil299 7 points 3 years ago

LoL

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samus12345 3 points 3 years ago

"I have no code of ethics, I will jerk anyone, anywhere. Children, animals, old people, doesn't matter. I just love jerkin'."

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panda_paddle 19 points 3 years ago

Can't rush the jerk, gotta let it play out naturally.

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FitzTheBastard 6 points 3 years ago path: 0 302392 303637, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 1
TheRealBoner 7 points 3 years ago

Risky click

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MavTheHack 2 points 3 years ago

The jerk would be a lot easier if we had some lube

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Track_Shovel 18 points 3 years ago

I'm with you. I've been posting Q/A thread in /c/chat and a few memes as I come across them. I've also been participating in some pretty interesting threads around here

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SpezCanLigmaBalls 1 point 3 years ago

What is this chat you’re talking about?

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Track_Shovel 1 point 3 years ago path: 0 294365 339238 339323, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
ImFresh3x 18 points 3 years ago

I was always a commenter and a voter, not a poster. But I’ve decided I’m gonna to make an effort to post in communities that I have interests in. Gardening, food interests, photography, hiking, current events, travel, video games, finance/investing, etc. It’s not something I’m used to doing. And it’s gonna take some effort at first, but I’d rather start a new habit here than go back to that other place.

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phil299 10 points 3 years ago

This is what I am talking about let's get making content, I have a feeling that the best minds have been removed from Reddit, or at least I would like to think that πŸ€”

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collegefurtrader 18 points 3 years ago

I just posted a hot take about solar power on my sublemmy, how about you comment?

https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/127188

Sorry if that link doesn’t let you comment but I haven’t figured out how to generate a universal link without creating a crosspost

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tomkatt 2 points 3 years ago

Just checked, it doesn't look like that sublemmy is federated with this one. I need to create yet another account to comment there.

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AgentGoldfish 7 points 3 years ago

That's not how any of this works...

Communities (as you put, sublemmy) can't be individually federated, only instances can be. And needing another account is a sign that you are looking at a post on the wrong instance, not a sign that an instance is not federated. In fact, finding out an instance is not federated can be pretty difficult unless you check the list of instances that are defederated on another instance.

That's not a universal link, so you ended up on a different instance. A much simpler and easy explanation than what you came up with.

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Klaymore 1 point 3 years ago

Every community needs to be federated separately, but instances can defederate entire instances. To federate with a community you have to search for it from your instance.

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tomkatt 1 point 3 years ago

My bad, I'm still learning how this whole thing works, have only been using Lemmy for the last day or two.

I'm starting to figure it out. It's a little confusing though, as when I subscribe to some communities that aren't on lemmy.world, they all show as "subscribe pending" for me. But it seems like I am subscribed? Or maybe just seeing it here on lemmy.world but not actually the content on that instance? I'm not really sure. Sorry if I'm adding any confusion here.

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TeaHands 4 points 3 years ago

Just to answer this part, the pending subscriptions (mostly a problem on lemmy.ml communities but sometimes elsewhere too) seem to be mostly a visual bug. I have a ton showing as pending but posts from them turn up in my feed so I'm clearly subscribed.

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ActuallyRuben 6 points 3 years ago

How are you drawing that conclusion? According to the page listing federated instances they are federated. If you can't find the post on your local instance, then you can just take the link to the post and put it in the search function on your instance.

Edit: Here's the post on your instance: https://lemmy.world/post/238576

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collegefurtrader 4 points 3 years ago

There needs to be a β€œshare” button next to the crosspost button

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phil299 1 point 3 years ago

good idea

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phil299 3 points 3 years ago

Nice this is the sort of practical help people need , feel like making a post to explain this for a wider audience?

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tomkatt 2 points 3 years ago

Thanks for that. Sorry, I'm still learning how this works.

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Czele 17 points 3 years ago

This might be a good opportunity for You to join new promising communities

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DaveFuckinMorgan 17 points 3 years ago

I'd like to complain about reddit for at least another month, thank you.

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SillyJester 16 points 3 years ago
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phil299 5 points 3 years ago

Yep it would be good if the ecosystem could stop shutting off instances and find other ways of coping especially as it seems most often it is just a lack of preparedness for the numbers , lets just drive users to instances with the capacity

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postmeridiem 2 points 3 years ago

Your visibility is reduced because you're on lemmygrad, which is amusingly more defederated by outside instances than explodingheads. Maybe try setting up a multi so you can see more, I think there is an app that can do it.

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xtremeownage 2 points 3 years ago

They are talking about undoing it.

Only affected peeps on the big instances too. I never noticed anything from it.

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FollyDolly 2 points 3 years ago

I thought Beehaw was coming back once they had better mod tools?

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possiblylinux127 2 points 3 years ago

They are last time I checked

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pandacoder 16 points 3 years ago

I'm definitely in support of "mega-threading" anything related to the Reddit blackout unless it's big breaking news (but mega-thread those events too).

I've also started to look for communities for some of my interests, but I suspect it's going to take a while before a lot of them spread to here. There are also a bunch that I can't really start since I am primarily a consumer and not a producer (specialized topics like astrophysics that I am not a subject matter expert for).

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amitten 11 points 3 years ago

I've been toying with the idea of starting a physics (astrophysics welcome) community over at https://normalcity.life/(my home lemmy instance) for physics academics. I'd love a community like that because it's my everyday life. Does that sound interesting? Not sure if others would be interested.

Edit: home instance clarification

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troyunrau 1 point 3 years ago path: 0 337661 338569 446698, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
sleepycrow 1 point 3 years ago

You should create it anyways! Unless there's a community that already exists on an instance you are okay with accessing, I say make the community and people will decide for themselves if they'd like to join.

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kresten 1 point 3 years ago

Sure, I love physics

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AlataOrange 16 points 3 years ago

All my yes! We have loved, we have lost, we have mourned, it's time to move on. Trying to rebuild a broken window in the way it was before is pointless, but we can pick up the pieces, dust them off, and build something new together!

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phil299 5 points 3 years ago

Oh have we mourned, let's build build build πŸ˜€

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misterslime12 1 point 3 years ago

Lemmy = Minecraft 2??????πŸ€”πŸ€”πŸ€”

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jcb2016_ 16 points 3 years ago

@phil299 You realize that the only way through this is to talk about it right? It’s like breaking up with someone you are with for years then they just f up and try to forgive them but it’s too late

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phil299 6 points 3 years ago

LOL

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TempleSquare 5 points 3 years ago

Yeah. It's like when people tell me I just gotta move on after my ex called out of the blue and said stuff so mean, I had to block her number.

I try not to obsess about it. But (in our analogy) it was only a week ago. I'm still going through the stages of grief.

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ininewcrow 1 point 3 years ago

It's a bit different when the person you broke up with got addicted to crack, went on a bender, is living on the streets, whoring themselves out to whoever to get their next hit and doesn't want to change even after you tell them that they really, really need help ... yet you still look at them and think, it's ok, she'll change? right? she used to be very hot, super sexy, great sex ... all the time! ... and she still likes you and she still looks kind of good ... maybe if I just talk to her or help with getting crack, she'll change and be ok again. right?

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root 15 points 3 years ago

I think it's a combination of it being a fresh breakup, and also being something you would normally see on the front page anyways, because it's a huge event worthy of being there.

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szczur 14 points 3 years ago
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MrNemobody 1 point 3 years ago

In which community?

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vimdiesel 13 points 3 years ago

We can do both :) .

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spicytuna62 12 points 3 years ago

Been uploading pics of my cats, a few old memes I have that made me laugh again, and even one of my old car. Believe me, some of us are trying!

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scarabic 12 points 3 years ago

Reddit blackout was all I saw until I clicked β€œCommunities” at the top and subscribed to my interests. Now there’s lots of other stuff too.

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IsThisLemmyOpen 12 points 3 years ago
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sneakyninjapants 1 point 3 years ago

It's alright, it takes all kinds. Haven't posted anything here yet either, usually just feel like I need a prompt to engage with; then the words start flowing.

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pariskalavros 11 points 3 years ago
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skylestia 11 points 3 years ago

the same thing happened with Mastodon for a while after Elon took over Twitter, lots of people posting Twitter news and talking about what has happening on Twitter. might be best to just wait it out πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

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noahm 11 points 3 years ago

The biggest issue with most Reddit-like websites is that the general user-base tends to talk a lot about Reddit and why they hate it.

The issue with lack of content is the 90-9-1 rule. I’m planning to actually start posting to this website soon just to start more discussions and topics. Post anything and everything; it’s how a site like this grows.

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phil299 4 points 3 years ago

Your right IMO

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moog 11 points 3 years ago

i agree. when people come here well have a better chance of getting them to stay if theres good content. but a little would still be good since theyre coming here angry at reddit most likely.

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Tasio 11 points 3 years ago

Even in new everything is reddit this, reddit that, lets stop.

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GlitchyDigiBun 7 points 3 years ago

But don't stop on reddit. That's where the annoying megaphones ought to be.

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phil299 5 points 3 years ago

this is a good point imo

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Tasio 3 points 3 years ago

Fuck yes

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solstice 11 points 3 years ago

Things are more like they are now, than they have ever been before.

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kembik 3 points 3 years ago

- Steven Wright

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voxov7 3 points 3 years ago

wow

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ohellidk 11 points 3 years ago

hell yeah, but how does one make a sub-lemmy? I've been wanting to make one but not too sure how! also, I don't know how to mod or anything lol. can I appoint people to do it?

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dystop 16 points 3 years ago

Are you on an app or the website? Just click on "create a community" and do it - I started Maliciouscompliance.

The issue is with getting content. If you start a new one you should be prepared to post stuff for a few days, even if nobody responds.

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administrator 4 points 3 years ago

Note that not every instance allows non-admin users to make new communities. If yours doesn’t can find one that does, or I think many will make them by request.

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rm_dash_r_star 11 points 3 years ago

Yeah the internet is abuzz with Spez's antics, don't expect that to die down for a while. If they follow through with the deadline it will be even worse.

Still we can add other stuff, maybe drown out the roar a bit. Can always use more communities, I have some good ones now, but I still need a couple I'm lacking.

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coldv 10 points 3 years ago path: 0 323452, hotness: undefined, score: 10, children: 4
Generator 6 points 3 years ago

Trying to browse Lemmy and 1 of 3 posts is about Reddit, and none of them are on !reddit@lemmy.ml or !snoocalypse@lemmy.ml
Lemmy for now is just a circlejerk about Reddit.

Made some posts about reddit on those communities and other news on others, but I see Reddit posts everywhere from c/tech to c/lennyworld, mods should review their rules and start redirecting posts

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hackitfast 7 points 3 years ago

I think it's just the natural progression of things. It will die down probably by mid July after the changes have been made. I'm sure this also happened on reddit after the migration from Digg.

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Jimmycrackcrack 2 points 3 years ago

You know, I'd always read that as snoopocalyspe and now that I see it's snoocalypse I think they really should have done it the other way, snoocalypse just sounds like some kind botanical species name.

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lightingnerd 2 points 3 years ago

"Ba da-da da-da da, it's the mothalurkin' S-P E-Z! Snoo-snoo, motha fucka" to "I'll see myself out" in 3-2-1...

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TakeshiKovacs 10 points 3 years ago

So that Spez guy I tell ya...

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unconsciousvoidling 10 points 3 years ago

you first

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AbyssalChord 10 points 3 years ago

Iβ€˜m doing my part! (trying to build a bass related community). Come join a place to talk about the best instrument in the world.

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Vinnyboiler 9 points 3 years ago

I run a nice London community at the feddit.uk instance, while it's not front page material I highly suggest just finding communities that fill your niche and subscribing to those. The Reddit stuff will die down when this place starts to establish it's own identity but for now lets now start from bottom and work our way up to a unique community then just being Reddit for those who don't like Reddit.

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ninetynine 5 points 3 years ago

I am not in London (US actually) but maybe you would know if there's a Premier League or Football community to subscribe too. The two things I miss from Reddit are Premier League news and a subreddit for a particular game I play.

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Vinnyboiler 5 points 3 years ago

Certainly, there is Premier League community here. Looks like there are communities for teams pooping up in the feddit.uk instance also.

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pzza 9 points 3 years ago

It'll get better over time as things settle in. Right now reddit is just the hottest topic on the block

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collegefurtrader 8 points 3 years ago

Nice meta commentary

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TheUtopianCat 8 points 3 years ago

I've been doing my part and posting content I'm interested in. I hope more people do and that this site picks up.

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utg 2 points 3 years ago

I have always been just a lurker on reddit, here I'm trying to learn as fast as I can and upvoting more than I normally do. I guess I can start also by posting my favorite content from reddit to lemmy in respective communities as a start

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TheLurker 8 points 3 years ago
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phil299 2 points 3 years ago

Well said

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sweeper 8 points 3 years ago

the "perfectlycutmeows" community is working here and a couple other instances, as well as a magazine on kbin.social and a channel on dalek.zone, so you can count me in and you can search for it yourself

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bardm 8 points 3 years ago

I think the drama will continue and we'll see an uptick after July 1st when the third party apps dies. But this too shall pass. Just give it some time.

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wr4th4 8 points 3 years ago

well i am making a point to not go to reddit anymore so i'm glad people post here about what's happening during the blackout etc here so i can see it.

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gon 7 points 3 years ago path: 0 300188, hotness: undefined, score: 7, children: 0
Rhabuko 7 points 3 years ago path: 0 306947, hotness: undefined, score: 7, children: 0
gronapa 7 points 3 years ago

I'm interested in the new music community! I'm terrible at branching out. Thanks for making something I didn't know I wanted.

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rimlogger 7 points 3 years ago

Come on, the Reddit drama is juicy AF to talk about. It's why I'm here. Don't gatekeep bro.

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RoyalEngineering 7 points 3 years ago
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Merthin1234 6 points 3 years ago

Yeah I agree, Lemmy needs to be it’s own thing and not just a Reddit hate platform. But so far the experience has been great.

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ngons 6 points 3 years ago

Preach!

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webghost0101 6 points 3 years ago

I am actually trying to find more of it! I love burn corposhit style drama. Its a bit all over the place though so i can see why its annoying. Maybe i should start my own community..

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setsneedtofeed 6 points 3 years ago

I’ve been content creating like crazy. I’d really like some of these hobby and interest communities to take off. I’m actually trying to hold back in some places so the community isn’t just saturated by posts from me.

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rockprada 6 points 3 years ago

Already have more posts and comments than my 12 year reddit history. I'm trying my best to adapt and survive.

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cfx_4188 6 points 3 years ago

Well said. Thank you.

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KooMSlayer69 6 points 3 years ago

Both is good

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WheeGeetheCat 5 points 3 years ago

Im having the opposite problem - when I sort by top of day I get a really fast scroll I cant keep up with.

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Ghostalmedia 5 points 3 years ago

After you!

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mykl 5 points 3 years ago

If you’ve got any puzzling items around, post them to What is this thing? for us to work on. New content is very welcome!

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phil299 3 points 3 years ago

Sub-ed thanks

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FiskFisk33 5 points 3 years ago

Go subscribe to some communities you like, show subscribed, profit.

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Jarmer 2 points 3 years ago

This is the way!

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laculacu 5 points 3 years ago

Do we already have a list of subreddit replacements on lemmy, kbin etc. somewhere?

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thesanewriter 6 points 3 years ago path: 0 303449 307826, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 0
SterlingVapor 6 points 3 years ago

No, I think it kind of goes against what we're trying to do here - if a list like that became popular, it would supercharge the growth of certain communities

There's a lot of people pushing for that because it would make the site a straight Reddit replacement, but the promise here is a lot like the original promise of Reddit - give users a single place they can go to access a bunch of small forums

If someone makes a community for that purpose or a community wants to draw in all the Reddit refugees, I have no problem with that, but I think the growth would be healthier if people find them organically rather than putting a centralized list somewhere

Sites will start to pull in a community if any of the members on that instance sub to it and there's talk of adding the ability for communities to band together in multis

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WhatASave 3 points 3 years ago

This doesn't really help but I think yes. I think I saw it scrolling Lemmy a few days ago but I can't remember anything else.

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possiblylinux127 1 point 3 years ago

I personally am using Lemmy to discover a new community

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xtremeownage 5 points 3 years ago

I am! We are!

(Just- make sure to subscribe to more places. There are a ton of communities spread around on various instances)

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phil299 2 points 3 years ago

That's good to knowπŸ‘

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AskThinkingTim 4 points 3 years ago

Does anyone know how long it takes to create sign up to the lemmy.ml instance? It seems impossible right now.

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Zetaphor 8 points 3 years ago

lemmy.ml is constantly overloaded. They are asking that people sign up on other instances. If you want to see content from lemmy.ml, just subscribe using your lemmy.world account. However note that even the federation of content from that server is spotty, as the server is regularly getting hammered.

The lemmy.ml instance is run by the developers of Lemmy, who are currently heads down laser-focused on the upcoming 0.18 release which makes a number of large changes to improve performance for all instances.

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phil299 1 point 3 years ago

Luckily there are a large number of instances , and I hope that will also grow now the "place that shall not be named" exodus has begun, I think the greater numbers and variety will improve the gene pool so to speak I sort of hope that really large reddit subs might start there own instances.

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LufyCZ 6 points 3 years ago

Afaik they have currently suspended new signups

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AskThinkingTim 6 points 3 years ago

Thanks for the feedback. Seems impossible to sign for the instance.

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TimoculousPrime 4 points 3 years ago

Yes please! The biggest downside to these places are that they won't shut up about reddit. There is almost no interesting content just post after post of people talking about reddit.

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Rhaedas 5 points 3 years ago

It's quite possible that a lot of these posts aren't the same ones, but new faces just coming from Reddit and venting. If you're over the discussion then move on the next topic in the feed. Most of the Reddit posts usually are in Reddit-specific communities like m/RedditMigration. Block them and you'll see less stuff.

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phil299 1 point 3 years ago

THIS Good point although I am seeing reddit posts in almost all communities (except the two I mod )

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TeaHands 2 points 3 years ago

You probably just need to subscribe to more interesting stuff tbh, your feed is what you make it.

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dominoko 4 points 3 years ago

I'm doing my best to post in small communities of interest to me. Growth will take time though.

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RightWingHog 4 points 3 years ago

We need to be POSTING!!!!

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funkyb 4 points 3 years ago

meh, I don't mind it. Add the content you want to add. Scroll on past the content you don't want to read. It's not a big deal.

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voxov7 4 points 3 years ago

i copy pasted musicfeedback into .world but couldn't find it. I'm subscribed to it on kbin though. both c/ look good bro, thanks!

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phil299 2 points 3 years ago

Yep, not sure what's up with music feedback, it was created on kbin and I think I have accessed kbin from lemmy without needing two different accounts but ATM I need to be logged into kbin to access it any help appreciated

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ElectroVagrant 2 points 3 years ago path: 0 307577 310037 310485, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 4
phil299 3 points 3 years ago

Are, yep it links but does not show the posts or the correct number of subscribers, although it appears I could post, so that's something πŸ‘ thanks

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ElectroVagrant 3 points 3 years ago

It may be taking awhile to sync info between the two. I've noticed this with some other Kbin magazines that nobody was subscribed to on here yet.

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tobor 2 points 3 years ago

Is this... a pun?

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Antiques 4 points 3 years ago

is Lemmy web scrapable like reddit?

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A_Very_Big_Fan 1 point 3 years ago

i havent fact-checked this but i can all but guarantee it is. the code these sites run on is open source, so even if it isnt right now someone will write the APIs to make it happen

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Arcenus 1 point 3 years ago
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dickusbigus -34 points 3 years ago
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A_Very_Big_Fan 3 points 3 years ago

are you okay? your history shows that this is all you do, all of your comments are irrelevant religious ramblings

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lightingnerd 4 points 3 years ago

To be fair, it sounds like poetry that an AI model would spit out after being trained on text scraped from the internet...

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ttmrichter 1 point 3 years ago

It is a tragedy that people don't recognize Timecube when they see it anymore. 😭

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OtakuAltair 2 points 3 years ago path: 0 337805 338530 342319 343127, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
Cynthia7979 3 points 3 years ago

what?

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sisyphean 1 point 3 years ago

This sounds like the output of one of those open source LLMs you can run on your own computer.

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ElectroVagrant 4 points 3 years ago path: 0 310299, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
Thurkeau 4 points 3 years ago

I'm here trying to learn how this service operates, and am finding a few bugs that make it more challenging than it probably should be. Some things, like trying to post musings or my own miscilaneous content "to myself" (that is, it would be part of my own page that can be viewed, but not part of a particular community) just gives me a spinning wheel indefinitely. If nothing else, better feedback from the UI would greatly help.

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LachlanUnchained 3 points 3 years ago

i actually find the whole thing fascinating, which is why i post about it. if it wasnt reddit, i probably would have posted on reddit about it.

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woobie 3 points 3 years ago

irony noun iro·​ny ˈī-rΙ™-nΔ“ plural ironies

1 a: The use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning

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kebabs 3 points 3 years ago
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Antiques 2 points 3 years ago
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werni 2 points 3 years ago

Want more interesting content? Post it!

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small44 2 points 3 years ago

Who said he isn't posting? What can a single person or a minority of users can do to make a lively web application?

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phil299 1 point 3 years ago

Thanks

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jerlendds 2 points 3 years ago path: 0 367379, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
AutumnCake 2 points 3 years ago

yea thats why i was hesitant of using this thing yet lmfao you just now a lot of the discourse will be about how reddit sucks for a while

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solarzones 2 points 3 years ago

I know everyone’s contribution will be worth while and extra enjoyable

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Gregoden1500 1 point 4 months ago
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majorswitcher 1 point 3 years ago

why all these upvotes? This post is on top of my posts since yesterday.

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phil299 6 points 3 years ago

Read the thread if you have not , some really good ideas and recommendations here IMO

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AbyssalChord 1 point 3 years ago

I like the music feedback idea! How do I add this to our Instance? Thought !musicfeedback@kbin.social would work but it didn’t

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TeaHands 3 points 3 years ago

For searching Kbin magazines from Lemmy I've seen some people say they had success with the format @musicfeedback@kbin.social. However I've only ever got it to work by searching for the full actual URL of the magazine. YMMV.

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phil299 1 point 3 years ago

Yep bit of a problem ATM, I made two accounts one kbin one lemmy world and made communities in both , I was able to see kbin from a lemmy instance but not now for some reason any help appreciated πŸ™

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daghita 1 point 3 years ago
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Nuke_the_whales 1 point 2 years ago
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fruitpunchsamuraiG -1 points 3 years ago
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dickusbigus -8 points 3 years ago
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Jimmycrackcrack 2 points 3 years ago

Is that the timecube guy?

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Nogami -10 points 3 years ago

Not sure if it will get any front page traction, but I've already gone out of my way to write some (hopefully good) posts about my favourite NAS technology, unRAID ( https://lemmy.world/c/unraid@reddthat.com ). I have a number of other information and problem solving posts I'll migate over from reddit before I delete my content there.

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sneakyninjapants 2 points 3 years ago

No experience with unraid so I can't really contribute on that front, but I applaud you for contributing on the topic!

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phil299 1 point 3 years ago

Sub=ed and and will check out soon, thanks

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