beerd 3 points 3 years ago

I always felt like there is some propaganda going on in the other direction too. I see people online saying e cigarettes are just as bad and cause cancer just like cigarettes everywhere, despite the fact that except for vitamine e acetate in some illegal thc cartridges there arent really any risks found related to it anywhere near to the levels of smoking.

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Noit 2 points 3 years ago

I feel like hyperbole is maybe the issue here.

Vapes are an order of magnitude less bad in terms of health outcomes than cigarettes. But cigarettes are catastrophically bad in terms of health outcomes. And that leaves vapes being moderately bad, and we should not be striving for a world where we 1:1 replace smokers with vapists, but decrease the number of users of both.

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beerd 1 point 3 years ago

Im not sure about the exact ratio, but i agree that the risks are not well researched enough and so we should be cautious (and of course nicotine itself is harmful for the developing brain). The best alternative in my opinion would be tobacco free nicotine pouches that are only harmful for dental health.

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cranstonapple 1 point 3 years ago

Vapes are an order of magnitude less bad in terms of health outcomes than cigarettes. But cigarettes are catastrophically bad in terms of health outcomes. And that leaves vapes being moderately bad

You’re just making that up though. It’s not a fact.

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Noit 1 point 3 years ago

To be clear, are you making the claim that vapes are neutral and have no impact on the health of the user?

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cranstonapple 1 point 3 years ago

I’m saying that preliminary evidence is positive. The big unknown is the flavoring. And for some reason, vape flavor bans are include banning unflavored vapes and enforcing tobacco flavoring.

But to your point, I’m not making claims about the healthiness of vaping. You are. And you’re making it up.

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cranstonapple 2 points 3 years ago

The anti-vaping effort seems to be run by a lot of shallow thinkers who just think “cigarettes zomg!” I never would have been able to quit cigarettes without vaping. And now I’ve been totally nicotine and vape free for 5 years.

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Noit 3 points 3 years ago

Oh look, it’s the grim spirits of giving everyone the chance to get cancer. I can only assume that despite the success of the cigarette > vape > non-smoker pipeline, there is also a profitable avenue for big tobacco. Presumably kids moving straight into vapes?

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eee 1 point 3 years ago

Not surprising by any means.

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