Every Canadian and European fedi community right now

2 years ago by Cows Look Like Maps to c/canada

qjkxbmwvz 112 points 2 years ago

It's kinda a weird take? Like if I'm in a discussion about some scary things AfD are doing and a left-of-center German joins the conversation, I'd like to think I'd have the ability to...you know...hear what they have to say about things.

There are a bunch of Americans who asked for this; there are a bunch who stood by and did nothing to stop it; and there are a bunch who tried to stop it, did not, and are devastated.

I guess at the end of the day it's just a meme.

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Zoidsberg 35 points 2 years ago

Here's my (admittedly hotheaded) Canadian perspective.

Germans, as a baseline, don't dominate online culture. Everywhere I look on the internet, I'm reading about Americans. It never stops. I have to constantly filter through American politics, drama, and celebrity news. It feels like we are finally moving away from American-centricity and having discussions about how living at the whims of this superpower is negatively affecting us.

Americans butt in on this and give their takes on it and man... I just don't care. Their country collectively chose this. My career and ability to provide for my family is seriously at risk because 90 MILLION of them couldn't be bothered to vote.

For this one, single discussion, just this one time, please, butt out.

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Someone 10 points 2 years ago

After years of being lumped in the same group with every momentarily [in]famous idiot from each of our countries, years of disregard of our regional differences and being plastered with stereotypes from obscure towns a whole country away, it's time we get to stop caring. The United States of America is threatening us. Not one guy, not one party, not certain states. Why should we give a shit that you live in one state or another? As the saying goes, if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem. I don't see many solutions, just a whole lot of distancing yourself from those who represent you by whatever arbitrary distinction you can come up with. America is the problem. We don't want to hear from you until you've solved it.

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grrgyle 0 points 2 years ago

I totally understand this perspective and it's true the American presence online is overwhelming, but I wonder how much the enemies of collective flourishing, the oligarchs, disaster capitalists, Putin, et al, are loving to see this divisiveness.

Not American, btw

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Kyouki 6 points 2 years ago

It would be very nice to move away from this American-centrality hyperfocus for once. I try to avoid it but you just can't, there is too much noise online or default-ism.

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frank 18 points 2 years ago

As an American who lives in the EU I'd say I experience what you hypothetically describe a LOT more than what the comic does.

Like even to the point of it sometimes being a little annoying. People I barley know asking me my opinions on trump, why people can like him, what's up with the whole egg price thing, etc

Most Europeans I know just want to understand wtf is going on and what things are actually like

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Auli 0 points 2 years ago

I guess how many of the do nothing's are now the ones saying I didn't vote for this. Umm yes you did.

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qjkxbmwvz 3 points 2 years ago

Oh absolutely; the folks who sat at home, are outraged that a fascist is in power, and are too dumb to understand how voting works to realize that they enabled it --- they are infuriating.

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Franconian_Nomad 92 points 2 years ago

I‘m german and I watch in real time how a fascist Gouvernement is taking over the US.

Sometimes I feel like I take crazy pills, when a friend of mine assures me that Donald Trump is just a business man who wants to help the country. Or when a good friend of mine who I considered sane and intelligent until this moment sends me a link to a J. D. Vance interview and tells me what a very smart guy this is.

It’s infuriating. And lonely. I think every American against this should be allowed to speak openly and participate. We have to work together, or we have lost already.

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slumlordthanatos 23 points 2 years ago

Lonely is right.

The amount of respect that I've lost for my family over the past decade is immeasurable. They taught me right from wrong, and now they're surprised that I think differently from them. My brother is the only one I'm still close with; everyone else I've been keeping at increasingly large distances. I used to call Mom almost every day, and now I'm lucky if I call her once a week.

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trslim 7 points 2 years ago

This is so fucking accurate. My mom and dad are both Elon musk-sniffers. I used to think they were intelligent, but the way they just drink the conservative business billionaire worship flavoraid is embarrassing. Fortunately, my younger sister is equally frustrated talking to them, and we often talk about their ignorance.

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Venoregard 2 points 2 years ago

Honestly I can very much relate. Both my parents are boomers and lifelong conservatives. Our relationships have always been strained but I'm questioning if I should or can even keep contact with them at this point. I'm revolted that they're both Trump voters and supporters.

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Snowpix 1 point 2 years ago

All of my extended family are American. I've lost all but my great-grandparents to Trump and MAGA, and that's only because they're old enough to remember World War 2. Everyone else has lost their fucking minds and either think Trump is the greatest thing to ever happen to the US, or don't recognize just how bad things are going to get.

My mom told my grandparents that if they voted for Trump or if Trump won, we would never visit them in the States again until it gets its shit together because frankly the US is not a safe place to be right now. Guess who they chose over their own family?

Needless to say, I've gone no-contact with most of them. I am ashamed to be related to most of them. Thank fuck my mom didn't turn out the same way and moved to Canada 25ish years ago. My dad, on the other hand, is definitely drinking the Conservative Kool-Aid and it's hard to talk to him without politics being brought up.

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Reverendender 17 points 2 years ago

I can assure you that it’s the people you are talking to that take the crazy pills on the regular.

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Franconian_Nomad 7 points 2 years ago

Thanks mate!

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Laser 13 points 2 years ago

Suddenly feeling blessed with my (arguably not too many) friends here, also in Germany, who are all center to left. All of them despise AfD and Trump.

But at least people are revealing their true face. 🤷

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Franconian_Nomad 10 points 2 years ago

But at least people are revealing their true face

Yeah, like during COVID. My Mom always says at least you know now who’s crazy an who’s not.

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inv3r5ion 12 points 2 years ago

There’s a video on I believe YouTube of jd Vance talking about east Palestine (where there was a train derailment and chemical spill that destroyed a town). You should watch it. He sounds like Bernie sanders in it. That’s what makes him so dangerous. He’s smart, he’s competent, he’s got a handful of good ideas (broken clock right twice a day) but he’s also a fucking fascist. IIRC Hitler improved working conditions for the good Aryan Germans during his reign while doing horror to everyone else. That’s how they get their support and a whole lot of people will dismiss the crazy shit as not really happening.

The technofascists that are backing trump want to seek power legally just like Hitler and then … just like Hitler … turn the country into a dictatorship. And genocide the undesirables. Look up Curtis yarvin. Dudes a fucking creep of a philosopher that has the ear and backing of all the technofascists. They are out in the open with what they’re doing.

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Feathercrown 8 points 2 years ago

I'm so glad that this is the overwhelming response in the comments. We must stick together.

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orbitz 6 points 2 years ago

How anyone can think Trump is in it for anyone but himself after his first term is baffling. You only need moderate thinking skills to realize that, which I understand is an issue as well with education.

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MossyFeathers 71 points 2 years ago

God I'm so tired of this shit. I swear the intent is to downplay the danger that many of America's marginalized communities are in. That way trans people don't have anywhere to run. People with disabilities have no where to run. POC have no where to run. Most, if not all, of y'all have laws specifically forbidding refugees from the US. This is because the US has traditionally been considered a safe harbor for refugees. However, the US government is now sending immigrants to Guantanamo and threatening to do the same with trans people, people with disabilities, and so on.

We need your help. Not by stepping in and correcting course, but by giving us safe refuge. Most of us are already in very serious danger and sweating bullets while we watch the gun slowly move to point at us, but we have nowhere to run because no one accepts US refugees.

I'm trans. I'm living in Texas. I voted for Harris. I'm watching the gun as it attempts to murder my friends (I have some birthright citizenship friends) as it slowly drifts ever closer. We need your help, because right now I'm expecting that our expiration dates are less than a year away. They gotta find something to do with us once they start running out of space in Guantanamo c::

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daq 21 points 2 years ago

Why are you looking at other countries when literally any state would be better than the shithole you're in? And even there I think you'll be perfectly fine in major cities.

But you're welcome to California. Not prefect, but not fucking Texas.

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MossyFeathers 23 points 2 years ago

Yeah, uh, that hasn't stopped them from going after people in blue states.

Edit: that's a valid question, though. However, I'm concerned that it won't be enough.

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CowsLookLikeMaps 31 points 2 years ago

In Canada, we need to start prioritising accepting more trans people, POC, and other marginalized communities fleeing persecution. It is absolutely dehumanising and disgusting how the USA is treating trans people right now. Trans rights are human rights.

We also urgently need to deny Pierre Poilievre the election, since he is openly hostile to and scapegoating trans people and other minorities, while cozying up to white supremacists.

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CarbonBasedNPU 9 points 2 years ago
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starman2112 54 points 2 years ago

Fuck me for wanting in on a discussion about how my own country is going to shit, right? I guess I'll go jump off a bridge or something

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Ibuthyr 9 points 2 years ago

Nah man, us Europeans are fucked as well. Fascists are gaining more and more traction here. We need interaction with you. We have to solve this shit together.

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Someone -16 points 2 years ago

👍

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preussischblau -17 points 2 years ago

👍🏻

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DiagnosedADHD 50 points 2 years ago

As an American I think I'm going insane? The last 3 weeks have been some of the most anxious and stressed I've ever been.

Trump's first term was nothing like this, there's a feeling of apathy in the air among people and coworkers (I live in a very liberal city in the deep south). Folks around here just seem to be on edge at all times, whether you're pro or anti in a much more divisive way.

There's a strange feeling knowing there's a solid chance we won't make it out of this one. There have been plenty of times in the past where we've had doom and gloom (Trump v1, conservatives and Obama), etc. Nothing ever happens, but this time I'm fairly confident the country I was born into will be dead and gone given the shear destruction being waged against our institutions.

I'm protesting and will continue to do what is needed to ensure 47 isn't the final chapter.

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Fredthefishlord 41 points 2 years ago

It's because this isn't Trump's term. It's elons. And I know people say that to make fun of them, but it's also said because it's actually true.

Trump is incompetent. Useless. Corrupt. Elon has actual dedication, he's shit at it, but he actually tries. He's not lazy. But he's still corrupt

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DrDickHandler 21 points 2 years ago

It's more than Elon's.. There's a lot of crypto billionaires behind the scenes.

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uienia 14 points 2 years ago

Billionaires in general

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lost_faith 2 points 2 years ago

"Shush your mouth, you are not the president" - xj4856df (i can't remember the characters of his identification)

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Scott_of_the_Arctic 6 points 2 years ago

Protesting is a good start, but I'd say the McMillan TAC-50 is a better choice at this point.

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volodya_ilich 2 points 2 years ago

I'm fairly confident the country I was born into will be dead and gone

I do feel bad for the american citizens suffering the consequences, but the US Empire falling is a net positive for the rest of the world. Ask people from Palestine, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, Laos, Cambodia, who suffered the US hegemony

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DiagnosedADHD 2 points a year ago

Id love for the US to transition to having less influence globally without totally collapsing, but if this is how we do it, so be it.

It's kinda the devil we know situation, if the US steps down, who steps up? Are they going to be better or worse, who knows. I never really bought into the notion that we had to be the world police or that all the evil stuff we did, we did because we had to.

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Ironfist 1 point 2 years ago

Im normally against gun ownership, but these are not normal times, these are times to use that 2nd amendment in your constitution for what it was created.

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onecarmel 48 points 2 years ago

I knew this was the route America was going on since I was a kid. Walked the picket line with teachers during high school when they went on strike, and was appalled at how I was spit on and cursed at by conservative adults.

In 2015/2016, told everyone Bernie was our second chance after we whiffed on Al Gore, and then we again fucked that up.

The masses here are beyond stupid. Wish I had the means to bring my family elsewhere.

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Whitebrow 24 points 2 years ago

Don’t know who needs to hear it, but here’s some advice that my philosophy professor left me with a long time ago:

Sometimes you can only save one person, and it’s okay for that person to be you.

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volodya_ilich 14 points 2 years ago

then we again fucked that up.

The masses here are beyond stupid

European here. The fault is rarely ever in the masses. The oligarchs you're trying to fight against control the media and the narrative, it's extremely hard to win against that. Furthermore, wasn't Bernie chosen by popular support and then kicked out by DNC?

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onecarmel 14 points 2 years ago

This time it certainly feels like it - more people than I ever expected really do openly support what Trump is doing. It’s baffling.

And yes, they did. I can’t say for certain that he had the majority of Dem voters in his corner, though. It seemed like most anyone over 40 in 2016 wouldn’t give Bernie the time of day. Lots of older folks thought he was way too progressive

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mojofrododojo 5 points 2 years ago

where tho?

like, where is accessible but also an improvement in this metric, because I see conservative assholes proliferating like a disease.

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vga -9 points 2 years ago
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CanadaPlus 47 points 2 years ago

Nah, I appreciate the good Americans. Hopefully as many as possible can get out.

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lazylion_ca 23 points 2 years ago

I'm in Alberta. The not-all-of-us thing is real.

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CanadaPlus 9 points 2 years ago

Hey, me too.

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CowsLookLikeMaps 3 points 2 years ago

I appreciate you all. I also appreciate hearing about the organizing and resistance efforts.

There have been effective protests that prevented hospitals from complying with doge. Make it hard to be a sellout Democrat or Danielle Smith supporter.

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Feathercrown 39 points 2 years ago

Are you guys aware that the point is to show you, as a sign of camaraderie, that there are Americans who disagree with the current admin, rather than to try to get praise?

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whoisearth 20 points 2 years ago

I understand it's not as easy as a comment on The Internet but the American resistance needs to nut up and someone needs to put one between the eyes if everyone who architected or who is actively implementing Project 2025.

At this point the American military needs to stage a military coup and take back the country.

I don't think it will ever happen but wishful thinking.

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jjjalljs 13 points 2 years ago

So many people are sitting on their hands going "Violence is never acceptable".

I think I ate a 3 day ban on one of the communities for making a joke about guillotining billionaires. Bunch of bootlicking cowards. I get not wanting to go and do some murder on your own, but come on.

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icmpecho 9 points 2 years ago
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whoisearth 0 points 2 years ago

Because, and I'll be blunt, a blanket of "guillotine billionaires" is disgusting. Billionaires shouldn't exist but I have no qualms with Bill Gates or Warren Buffet for simply playing the game we were all forced to take part in.

Some billionaires like Musk, Zuckerberg, Ellison however... They should all be hung for treason.

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jjjalljs 4 points 2 years ago

I would give them a chance to divest before guillotining. But someone having that much money is disgusting. You know what you could do with that? You know how much was stolen from how many people to acquire that? That's disgusting.

Look at this "wealth to scale" website https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/?v=3

In case you lost sense of how big these numbers are.

But at least we agree that some billionaires should be hung.

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mortemtyrannis 10 points 2 years ago

To be fair, considering the attempts on Trumps life so far I was quite surprised that people were taking matters into their own hands.

History will look kindly on them IMO.

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mPony 6 points 2 years ago

yes we totally understand how all this must feel for you. Even for people who voted for TFG didn't want this stuff to happen. These arseholes are actively dismantling your country from the inside. We're counting on you folks to do something.

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Ironfist 2 points 2 years ago

Dont let this post speak for all Canadians. I personally appreciate every single one of you american brothers who are against these fascist regime. We fucked them up in 1945 and we will do it again!

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Feathercrown 2 points 2 years ago

<3

Together as one!

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Toasted 1 point 2 years ago

Its really hard to have sympathy for any americans because even "the left" seems to have done everything possible to enable fascism by repeatedly throwing the working class under the bus in favour of corporations.

You all had your chance with Bernie but you kicked him to the curb for a creature grown in a lab by credit card corporations.

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Feathercrown 20 points 2 years ago

You're grouping us all together. I wish Bernie had been elected so bad... we even voted for him in my state, but the democratic party overrode that.

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Floey 18 points 2 years ago

You're making the same mistake as many Americans themselves do and confusing Democrats in general and the left. I didn't think leftists were the ones who kicked Bernie to the curb. The left in America is very small but they do protest, do mutual aid, and form unions. You could argue they aren't doing enough and when things get bad enough it's time for terrorism, but that's big talk when you are sitting behind a computer.

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LeFantome 3 points 2 years ago

I have a lot of sympathy. I feel awful for them. Unfortunately, it is the kind of sympathy I would feel for an enemy soldier that I think is maybe fighting against their will. I feel bad for them but there is no way I am putting my gun down while they are around. They are still the enemy and “they” are still trying to kill me. We are not going to be friends.

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jerkface 31 points 2 years ago

Weird that we have more solidarity with the EU than Mexico.

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Lemminary 15 points 2 years ago

I'm Mexican and I'm baffled that Canada is trying to distance itself from us. I sincerely don't get why we're constantly being excluded.

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SilentStorms 5 points 2 years ago

Its very frustrationg. We should be taking notes from you guys, not pushing you away.

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CanadianCarl 4 points 2 years ago

As a Canadian, I am confused by that also. Mexico would be a lot safer if the US had more stricter gun laws, and didn't smuggle them into Mexico.

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can 3 points 2 years ago

Are we? That's disappointing.

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can 5 points 2 years ago

Shared language and cultural background goes far. But it's definitely time we strengthen ties beyond that

Edit: why downvote for this? I suspect I misrepresented something

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jerkface 5 points 2 years ago

Racism goes even further.

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can 1 point 2 years ago

Yes, sadly.

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jerkface 4 points 2 years ago

Re: downvotes

could be that only 44% of EU citizens understand English, and most don't really share a cultural background with us

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can 1 point 2 years ago

Yeah, that's a pretty good point.

Guess it all comes down to racism then :/

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can 30 points 2 years ago

You may be, but clearly more than half of you are not 🤷‍♂️

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lugal 27 points 2 years ago

Have you checked the voter turnout? Because I didn't but it's traditionally low in the US for different reasons. And this doesn't take into account people not allowed to vote. I don't live in a utopia either but the US is especially undemocratic by design

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Tm12 12 points 2 years ago

Surprisingly this was one of the most active elections since 1900. Others being JFK and 2020.

Nonetheless, turnout in 2024 was still high by modern standards. The 1960 election between John F. Kennedy and Richard Nixon (63.8 percent) is the only other election in the last 112 years to exceed 63 percent voter turnout.

The 2024 Election by the Numbers

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lugal 11 points 2 years ago

I wasn't talking about this vote compared to other US elections but about the US voting system compared to other nations. 63.9% is still low for international standards. The comment above me said "half of you did", turns out it's closer to a third. And I'm not blaming the third that stayed at home, I'm blaming the system for shying them away.

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Hubi 9 points 2 years ago

I'm absolutely blaming the third that did not vote. When you're in a car that is barreling towards a cliff, the only acceptable choice is to hit the brakes. Not doing anything is just as bad as pressing the gas pedal.

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can 5 points 2 years ago

How many eligible voters chose not to out of apathy or other factors within their control?

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Feathercrown 4 points 2 years ago

I blame them too. They could have voted. It's not that hard.

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Zoidsberg 8 points 2 years ago

Voters that chose to stay home are functionally the same as Trump supporters. They chose this.

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erin 6 points 2 years ago

Trump didn't even get half of votes, much less half of the population. The vast majority of Americans aren't Trump supporters. Unfortunately, the vast majority of Americans don't vote.

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NotSteve_ 10 points 2 years ago

I consider those who didn't vote to be just as bad as Trump supporter

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can 6 points 2 years ago

Bingo. Yes, the system is rigged against minorities, but I wager there's far more other people who easily could have voted but didn't.

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NotSteve_ -1 points 2 years ago

Yeah for sure. I respect that Republicans have made it difficult to vote in some areas but when Trump and Project 2025 are on the line, I really don't care. If you didn't jump through every possible hoop to vote against Trump then you may as well have voted for him in my eyes

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Feathercrown 0 points 2 years ago

He got more than half the votes, unfortunately.

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erin 2 points 2 years ago

He got less than 50%

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Feathercrown 1 point 2 years ago path: 0 15111579 15112762 15122190 15122733 15122835, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 3
Devanismyname 29 points 2 years ago

We need all the help we can get. If some of the Americans are on my side, then I gladly accept their help. Hopefully they rise up before it's too late.

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inv3r5ion 28 points 2 years ago

You do realize we’re going through a fascist coup right?

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Dasus 30 points 2 years ago

Time to prove that the second amendment really works then?

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inv3r5ion 10 points 2 years ago

I hope we have other off ramps before that but we’re running out

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chonglibloodsport 2 points 2 years ago

Don’t make us Canadians do it for you!

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inv3r5ion 1 point 2 years ago

Nobody is asking that, we have way more guns than you anyways. But some of us - such as queers like me - may want to seek refuge in your country.

Or maybe there could be a bloodless secession and some of us can join you as territories. If you’ll allow.

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CarbonBasedNPU 1 point 2 years ago
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Dasus 4 points 2 years ago

I do, yes.

Aaaaaand?

It doesn't matter who is of what opinion, even if you were an anti-2A advocate, now is the time to start testing that 2A.

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LeFantome 11 points 2 years ago

Yes. And historically, what is the right response to a country that is doing that?

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Dtules 5 points 2 years ago

Complaining to other countries? /s

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volodya_ilich 2 points 2 years ago

Healthy dose of Bolshevism

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Auli -7 points 2 years ago

Not really. The people voted for this.

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inv3r5ion 7 points 2 years ago

No, land voted for this. And people manipulated by the technofascists and their propaganda machines, social media, voted for this.

We haven’t had a free and fair election since before 2000.

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Nalivai 6 points 2 years ago

This time he won a popular vote. Well, there was enormous amount of voters suppression, but that's a given, everyone knew that will happen and had time to prepare. Half of eligible population didn't even tried to do bare minimum.

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systemglitch -40 points 2 years ago

Lol no you are not.

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Feathercrown 20 points 2 years ago

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ComicalMayhem 15 points 2 years ago

What the fuck, is that a real tweet?

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iknowitwheniseeit 8 points 2 years ago path: 0 15118884 15119947 15122018 15124703 15126759, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 0
Feathercrown 6 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately

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cygnus 25 points 2 years ago

"What do you mean, I can't fix this by posting on social media? Stop oppressing me 😢😢😢"

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Hubi 14 points 2 years ago

I posted it all over X, why isn't it working?!

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Reverendender 3 points 2 years ago

What is it you are suggesting exactly?

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cygnus 13 points 2 years ago

Look at countries that have successfully enacted change when they are angry with their government: Serbia currently, France whenever pensions are threatened, the Maidan Revolution, the Arab Spring (for what that was worth). What do they all have in common? Hint: it isn't posting from the comfort of your couch.

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Reverendender -1 points 2 years ago

Well, I see how you reached that conclusion. Unfortunately the US is socioeconomically completely different than any of those places, and our own oligarchs have engineered the system to keep us in our place.

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cygnus 11 points 2 years ago

How true, Americans are much more oppressed and less free than Ukrainians under Yanukovych or Egyptians under Mubarak. People everywhere are saying they're the biggest victims by far — yuge victimhood.

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CowsLookLikeMaps 12 points 2 years ago

Protesting and organizing is a start instead of the defeatist "it won't do anything" or "but it annoys people." Proceeds to do nothing but annoy people online.

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Reverendender 1 point 2 years ago

And then you get fired, and then you lose your health insurance

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Fredthefishlord 9 points 2 years ago

Unionize. Organize a strike with coworkers. Ostensibly for better wages, but actually for fighting back.

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inv3r5ion -1 points 2 years ago

Protests don’t work. Luigi does.

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saigot 10 points 2 years ago

Perhaps The things Americans should be doing are the things you shouldn't post publicly about doing.

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Dtules 3 points 2 years ago

Here are some ideas:

  • Do a risk assessment for your specific situation and relationships and work to reduce your risk
  • Form stronger bonds with people in your community
  • Read history and the mechanisms of similar situations
  • Work to reduce fascists radicalization where you can (hint: probably not online)
  • Stop enabling whiny "there's nothing we can do" bullshit
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puppinstuff 19 points 2 years ago
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Laser 19 points 2 years ago

Realistically, what do you expect at this point in time?

Trump's in office since less than a month. There have already been larger protests. With 50501, there is a movement growing. Things will take time.

I'm in favor of showing more empathy to everyone who's personally affected and didn't vote for this, including people who got robbed of their opportunity to vote.

It's unreasonable to ask already marginalized groups now "why aren't you correcting this?". There is no quick way to correct this. It will be a long and drawn-out process, and maybe will also require the insight of Americans that lying to masses is not voicing your opinion as free speech.

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Feathercrown 3 points 2 years ago

lying to masses is not voicing your opinion as free speech

A dangerous yet necessary concept

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Fredthefishlord 3 points 2 years ago

Protests barely have effect. What we need is more government workers growing spines.

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inv3r5ion 5 points 2 years ago

We need every second amendment enthusiast to well regulate themselves into a militia and grow a fucking spine and fight this coup.

Or since the coup is marching in with laptops and USBs instead of tanks and guns, idk, fucking stop them?

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sartalon 3 points 2 years ago

I think what he is saying is they are still trying to figure out the impact on them and their response.

We let ourselves get put in this shit, we need to deal with it. I am starting to believe the idea that we have to put fear into the heart of fascism. We cannot equivocate protecting free speech with protecting hate speech, we have to judge and call people out on their bullshit, otherwise we end up here.

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CanadaPlus 10 points 2 years ago

Not their fault would get a silent thumbs-up from me. I'm not judging any individual American - the current vibe is angry, but I think most Canadians have known enough of them to know many are fine.

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Dtules 8 points 2 years ago

They have a strong individualist consumer culture. If they can't individually consume their way out of it, many of them think they've done everything they can.

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inv3r5ion 6 points 2 years ago

We have a gun behind every blade of grass but we’ve been taught whitewashed history for generations so no one realizes they can fight back in ways that don’t involve pointlessly marching around with signs and getting pepper sprayed, tear gassed, shot at with rubber bullets and arrested.

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volodya_ilich -3 points 2 years ago

The real way to fight fascism historically is communism. You haven't been taught whitewashed history, you've been radicalised against your own interests

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inv3r5ion 1 point 2 years ago

You read my comment wildly wrong. Whitewashed history is all the peaceful nonviolent civil rights protests and leaders they lie about. For example, MLKs I have a dream but not MLKs letter from Birmingham jail.

I’m not radicalized against my own interests, I’m an ancom

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lugal 11 points 2 years ago

Well, I'm not looking forward to the German elections next week either. #notallgermans #fckafd

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Yerbouti 8 points 2 years ago

I'm willing to consider California becoming the 11th province. We're gonna make these GAFAM pay for all these years of manipulation and rename the US to Naziland.

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FaceDeer 5 points 2 years ago

Nah, California is too right-wing and populous, it'd overwhelm Canada's Canadianness.

I think we should take Alaska, it always made more sense as a Canadian territory.

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Cort 9 points 2 years ago

If you think California is too right wing, but Alaska isn't?

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FaceDeer 4 points 2 years ago

It's right wing too, but it's not populous.

California's population is roughly equal to Canada's. Alaska's got less than 2% of Canada's population. We can absorb Alaska without too much disruption, California would be more of a fusion. And their economy is twice the size of Canada's, so likely it'd be seen as more of Canada joining California rather than the other way around.

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Reverendender 5 points 2 years ago

New England would almost entirely very much like to become the southern-most Canadian province.

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cygnus 4 points 2 years ago

No thanks. Other than VT they are more right-wing than Canada.

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Feathercrown 1 point 2 years ago

Noooo take me with you

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Reverendender 0 points 2 years ago

As one of “them,” I can confidentially tell you that that is not the case.

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Feathercrown 3 points 2 years ago

As one of "them", I think it's pretty close :/

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JackGreenEarth 4 points 2 years ago path: 0 15110951, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
DicJacobus 0 points 2 years ago

Americans whining about wanting to leave the country and take refuge in Canada

for what, so you can squat here and continue to do nothing while your country becomes a Fascist and Imperialist Oligarchy?

No. Maybe we can talk after the Civil war starts when your country invades ours. But for now, this is your problem to deal with.

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Ceedoestrees 16 points 2 years ago

So...we don't want allies before they invade us, only after. Got it.

There are a few people in America who agree with your stance on refugees.

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DicJacobus -10 points 2 years ago

Those aren't allies. they're mouths to feed and heads to put roofs over, which we dont have.

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CarbonBasedNPU 6 points 2 years ago
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DicJacobus 1 point 2 years ago

We have enough problems with people coming into the country with false pretenses and fake asylum. The last thing we need is trojan horses from a country thats suddenly started threatening to invade us.

we have a housing crisis being inflamed by an immigration crisis. Now that we are being directley threatened, Canada isn't just a refuge for people to use as a safety net to hide in. If they want to come to the country they can apply through the usual process, but there isn't any special relationship anymore. Thats dead.

if things get really bad, and the US devolves into a civil war, (we will be a part of it). then we can talk about taking in people. but for now its just way too much of a risk for very little reward. Unless they're going to bring their businesses and jobs with them, they would be consumers, not contributors. and we can't afford that as the world inches closer to world war than its ever been. especially now that America is not a reliable ally and more importantly, a threat.

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m0darn 13 points 2 years ago

...

Civil war starts when your country invades ours

...

Ohhh, when the USA erupts in civil war AFTER they invade us. I initially thought that you were saying America invading us would be civil war

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shoulderoforion -21 points 2 years ago

I'm with Zellensky, the "interesting" thing will turn out to be, whether or not Mr. "no foreign wars" is going to put US boots on the ground in Ukraine to back it's complete surrender to Russia, and if Europe will start marching troops into Ukraine wearing "were not NATO" tshirts. And while the cartoon is funny, what's not funny is Canada spends 1.38% of it's GDP on defense, Europe on average spends ~ 2%, they've both enjoyed the post war defensive umbrella that the united states has provided and for the last 70 years, even after war reconstruction, they've decided to spend their GDP on yearly 5 week holidays for their workers, and "free" healthcare for their citizens. though a few european states are nuclear armed, in a ground fight, Europe and Canada could not pose a deterrent through production of arms, or standing armies of soldiers, in 10 years if they started yesterday.

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inv3r5ion 5 points 2 years ago

Yeah, as an American I want free healthcare, five weeks vacation and only a few % spending on defense and a lack of nukes outside of power plants.

You wanna know how we do that? By taxing the fucking rich or beheading them if they won’t comply. You don’t get to hundreds of millions of dollars or billions without exploiting and stealing from everyone else. Time to pay up or shut up for good.

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DicJacobus 3 points 2 years ago

Hegseth, Musk and Vance have effectively declared NATO is dead as far as US is concerned. The only interest they have with europe is pilfering and looting your resources.

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FaceDeer 10 points 2 years ago

How ironic that the only country to actually invoke Article 5 and receive NATO assistance under it is the one that's now ditching NATO.

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DicJacobus 2 points 2 years ago

NATO by and large has been a tool of America to make Europe subservient to it, rather than an equal ally.

People forget that the cold war was all about two countries trying to carve the world up into their own ideologies. America's was the better option for a while, But Now they're no option.

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shoulderoforion -4 points 2 years ago

the same cannot be said for vladimir putin

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DicJacobus 3 points 2 years ago

Putin is an old man who fantasises about eras bygone, hes a conniving and sneaky person with ultimately very simple and untintelligent goals.

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shoulderoforion -4 points 2 years ago

i do not contest any of that, and still, europe cannot defend itself against him. the only reason ukraine has been able to hold their own is whith massive and regular shipments of us weaponry. something europe has never stockpiled, nor developed the means of fabricating, in enough quantity to make even a token defense against the russian war machine. these are fact.

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