100% If it’s not contributing to the bottom line, it’s out
100% If it’s not contributing to the bottom line, it’s out
That was my first thought as well. They want a walled garden and envy Facebook / Twitter for their anti-user practices. RSS runs counter to that
Yes but it may help some folks with the transition while these new communities get started
I've moved over to Beehaw purposefully and while this is a nice feature, the point is to get away from Reddit. The majority of content produced there come from links from other websites. It's just a matter of rebuilding and discussing those things in new networks :)
A lot of it is also the moderation of certain subreddits though that's not easy to replicate elsewhere. For instance most subreddits dedicated to football (soccer) clubs maintain a tier list of journalists based on their reliability and will only allow reputable sources to be posted on the subreddit.
That's quite frankly a lot of bullshit that I would otherwise have to sort through myself to get the same information on transfer movements and news
Not to mention many of the main subs started banning the very sites that kept traffic going to them in the first place. If you ever wondered why your favorite niche blog about any topic stopped posting, its because mods on reddit started classifying anything not mainstream as blogspam.
They would 100% do it. No doubt.
The only thing you get out of rss is the title of the post, and a link to the post comments and whatever the external link was (if it wasn’t a self post).
I use rss to monitor a few subreddits since I run my own rss reader and monitor all sorts of feeds.
That might not work as you think it would because the rss feed does not include the discussions. For that you need to visit reddit, and discussions are what make reddit what it is. I'd much rather if they migrate here, but if that's not possible, at least if we have a bot crossposting stuff from there to here, so that we can have our own discussions going on that topic.
half the fun is repeating the same jokes from r/whothefuckup
Even reddit wasn't this full of niche esoteric subs over night and a lot of that subdivision had to happen because the main subreddits got too big and full of noise. You can still try and foster discussion in larger instances with broader topics and likely get a few bites for discussion while the more niche stuff takes off.
I'm completely new to this whole lemmy thing, but I'm hoping it can take off and grow to be a diverse and varied reddit alternative. Seeming really cool so far.
There are some subreddits that I really will miss and hope to see them come over to the lemmy-verse, but I think in the long run if lemmy can grow enough, I'll be content with the content (ha)
I'm foreseeing a large influx of people testing out the lemmy waters in the next week. I knew the CEO was a POS but waited to see what he had to say to the Apollo claims. Pretty much sealed it for me. This can be a big site/service if the people use it. I was around for the fall of Digg, and hopefully the fall of Reddit.
I do this with Inoreader. I subscribe to the Top Week RSS for each subreddit. It looks like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/top/.rss?t=week
This cuts down my usage to only the most important/popular topics. It helps me waste less time and gets rid of the addicted feeling where you're sitting there refreshing the front page seeing the same things you saw five minutes ago repeatedly.
Because I know there's only going to be 'x' number of posts each day from each Reddit I find myself engaging with them more carefully, more mindfully. And when the feed runs out, I go read a book or do something else. It's very freeing. I'm setting up Lemmy to be the same.
Thank you! I'm also an Inoreader user but didn't know this trick for subreddits; it's actually really helpful as for most "niche" communities I follow on Reddit I basically only read posts and never interact so, as long as it'll work, it seems a good way to keep myself up to date.
Thank you so much, this really helps with large subreddits like for example r/de or r/videos where most new submissions are quite uninteresting.
I'd rather use my social media time on a platform like what we're on now and use Google when I need to find an answer to some question that might be answered on Reddit.
My only hope is that it doesn't turn into Voat and get overwhelmed with fringe view conspiracy cookers and go to poop.
This is my concern. That being said, I don't think that's quite as likely to happen because the reason for Voat's creation was fundamentally different. The Lemmy exodus is because of API changes and the treatment of Apollo's creator, while Voat was created as a result of a crackdown on hate subreddit (/r/fatpeoplehate was the big one, but this was years ago so I might be misremembering things).
That being said, I do specifically remember that the driving force behind the Voat push was "free speech." I'm pretty sure we know who screams the loudest about free speech at the expense of all else, and it looks like Beehaw at least was created with the core idea of being against that crowd. So, while I can't speak for Lemmy as a whole, I'm trying to at least be optimistic about Beehaw, since the reason for the exodus is completely different from the Voat exodus,meaning the migrants will have a different composition.
I too am optimistic however I think it'd be rather easy to push fringe views as mainstream ideas as things currently stand on Lemmy etc, just like on Voat. But you gotta start somewhere and I'm glad somebody is trying.
I think the federated approach Lemmy is taking can both help with that and exacerbate it. While it's easy to push fringe views, it's also easy to quarantine/block off servers that are going in that direction. I'm not sure what tools are available for doing that in Lemmy, but I don't imagine it would be hard to block users from a Voat-like server if push comes to shove. It winds up coming down to the culture and values of the server you're on, and if those go in a direction you don't like you can also go elsewhere. Sort of like how there were bots that would pre-emptively block people that post in specific subreddit, but more granular control so you don't wind up with situations like where someone would post in /r/conservative to argue against misinformation, then find themselves blocked from leftist subreddits. Here, if you're a member of a leftist Lemmy server, that's part of your identity so it'd be easier to see situations like that and prevent collateral damage from blocking members of the alt-right server from brigading. The only issue there is that it also becomes easier to set up echo chambers, so there's a fine line to walk. I'm rambling a bit, but hopefully I'm making sense.
I think that because Lemmy is federated it has a strong defense against becoming Voat. Sure, there will be some instances that pop up that allow/tolerate that shit but then other Lemmy instances can just block them!
I've always loved rss. It's the best way to get news if you don't want to use Reddit or Twitter and want one place with different sources.
Remember that Chrome extension for YouTube that would replace YouTube comments with a Reddit comment thread instead? Couldn't you do something similar between Reddit and a Lemmy instance? Scrape all the posts like this RSS feed but replace the comments with Lemmy comments?
Holy cow, I forgot about that extension. That was cool
I believe you are referring to Voat. I was just starting to use it when this debacle started. I hope somebody a makes something similar for Lemmy. Maybe the Voat developers will add Lemmy support since I suppose they will be affected by the API changes as well.
I thought voat was shut down.
Voat kind of suffered from the problem of Marketing itself as a bAsTIOn oF FreE SpEeCH and thereby attracting mainly the Facebook crowd
Maybe there was another site called Voat, but here's a link to the extension.
It works, but feels dirty..
There are so many reddit alternatives, I really hope some alternative will come up on the top and I surely hope that reddit fails massively.
While I agree with you it will be sad to see some of the small communities I'm a part of die, maybe some of them will rescurrect, but I have my doubts on some of them, very niche stuff where it's hard to gather together people.
What other options are there besides lemmy?
The same works with .json at the end if you want to consume it in JSON format. In fact, that's exactly what some of the third party Reddit apps do until the day.
However, I just want to mention that it is just a question of time until Reddit will shut down this feature. As soon as they introduce their new API pricing, they need to force users into using their new APIs instead of using this kind of workaround from old Reddit times. So better do not rely on this to work any longer.
At least the .json endpoints count as api for reddit
Will this affect the inherent
.jsonrepresentation of all Reddit pages? (e.g. https://www.reddit.com/.json )
Yes,
.jsonendpoints are considered part of our API and are subject to these updated terms and updates.
I’ve been thinking about it. I do hope Beehaw grows enormously to be vibrant and diverse and lively, but it’s OK too if in the end it’s not the ultimate, humongous, massive instance. Maybe there’s such a thing as a community that becomes too big. There’s something precious about "human scale" places.
There is definitely a thing as a community that becomes too big. I really liked that concept in 'Sapiens'. For a community to grow much bigger than a couple hundred, there needs to be a common belief, or a common enemy. That is why religion was a crucial element 2000 years ago. Right now, beehaw/lemmy is growing rapidly because of that common enemy, reddit, but the real test is once the reddit thing dies down one way or another.
I've typed and deleted a bunch of comments on Reddit the last few days. I will no longer participate. I will only use old reddit or rss feeds and consume it.
I've replaced all my comments with this:
This comment has been erased in protest of Reddit's recent API changes.
For more details, read this open letter
As an alternative to reddit, I have moved to Lemmy. Consider signing up on smaller instances to prevent larger instances from crashing; you can still interact with communities from any instance.
hopefully people that aren't super aware of what's going on because they only find reddit through search results see this
https://github.com/andrewbanchich/shreddit
This tool can delete but also edit your comments before deletion
I really like this, I just ran into this a few minutes ago for the first time. I expect I'll see more than a few in the next few weeks.
but you're still "visiting" it. It is just your reader that makes the https request instead of your browser. In their logs and stats you are still visible. The only difference is that you will have a user-agent that shows that it is an RSS reader instead of a browser. Like:"GET /atom.xml" 304 0 "Feedly/1.0 (+http://www.feedly.com/fetcher.html; 16 subscribers; like FeedFetcher-Google)"
And while you've the RSS reader open it while make requests periodically so we're talking for multiple visits as well.
Yea ... bridges should be possible in theory ... which would be interesting.
Also, just in case you didn't know ... lemmy communites also provide RSS feeds (look for the icon at the top of a community page).
The inventor of RSS theorised not long ago that the fediverse would be glued together by RSS. They're obviously biased, but still an interesting idea, especially given that fediverse apps are struggling somewhat with how the platforms all have different APIs
try Raven: https://ravenreader.app/
Thunderbird can do email, calendar and RSS blog post
I started up a visual novels community on my server but would definitely like it if others could help share the burden once it gains some traction.
RSS seems really handy tbh, and yet I've never gotten around to ever using it. I looked up what the term was, went 'oh neat' and continued to ignore each time the RSS icon appeared on a webpage.
Maybe I should look into an RSS reader. Seems I could pull from multiple different sources and curate something far more interesting/relevant to me than, say, Google's 'Discover' page.
Fun fact: Aaron Swartz who helped create RSS, was involved early in the development of Reddit.
RSS readers are legitimately the bomb. There are a couple of open source ones in the linux repos, I use LiFeRea, although it's interface is a little dated. If you set it up right, you only consume the content you want to;
RSS readers are fantastic--I use the Nextcloud RSS reader for everything (news, youtube, reddit, etc.)
+1 It just works and I can see the RSS feeds on web and multiple devices.
I used to use Google Reader and then Feedly when it shuttered, but that was back in heady days of blogmania, when everyone was self-publishing. Haven't done RSS in years, not since social media platforms took over. Having said that, I find it strangely hollow now reading any article without an accompanying discussion zone like Reddit. Like only getting half the story or a limited perspective. Hopefully Lemmy scratches that itch.
I think you can make a bot to post an rss feed to mastodon (or something else in the fediverse?) And then subscribe to that with your lemme account to just have the content here!
There might be a way to make a community here that has automatic posts from the rss feed too?
Is it permissible to transfer the submissions from reddit to lemmy directly, to at least provide a seed to start conversations going?
If by "permissible" you mean ethically, stuff is posted and reposted on the internet all the time. Much of the posts you see on Reddit aren't new either. Unless a community expressly forbids it, I think it's fine.
On the other hand this might be a good opportunity to find some sources that you like reading, and post those (if you're referring to articles)
Well, I do get a lot of alerts from Google as new topics come in, and I could post those links. That's mostly the way things are handled in the Futurology and Science subs. Posting those to Lemmy communities should work, I think. I guess I worry about swamping a community with traffic, but if so, I guess whoever manages that community can let me know to dial it back.
Is it permissible to transfer the submissions from reddit to lemmy directly, to at least provide a seed to start conversations going?
Theoretically yes, however... Say User A made a comment on Reddit but User A doesn't exist (yet) on Lemmy, do you then create a new user for that new user or do you attribute that comment to an "unknown user" ? And if so, what's the value than of that comment ? You cannot really interact with that comment other then 'it exists'. But you decide to create a user for that, how do you verify that that person can "migrate" or have access to that 'new user' ? Assuming they even want to migrate to Lemmy in the first place.
Not to mention the fact, that it's probably a GDPR violation to reupload that comment somewhere.
I wasn't thinking about reuploading comments, just submissions. There are a lot of submissions that would be interesting to discuss here as separate conversations away from reddit. For example, Futurology, Science, Finance, and even Aww and Eyebleach have some nice things to discuss.
There are a ton of twitter bots that do exactly this already. I've seen a few mastodon bots do the same so I imagine it's possible with lemmy as well.
At worst, you could just set it up on mastodon and then have them automatically post to lemmy.
Sorry, I need more coffee 😅 it's still early here in the EU.
But, I am just thinking out loud here... As long as it isn't user generated content (like pictures, videos or text content, stuff that generally holds copyright), I can't really see any reason why from a legal perspective that couldn't be done.
Well, I can't see a reason either, but from a community standpoint is that okay?
Thank you so much for this!
If you don't use RSS readers but do like email, blogtrottr.com is free and does RSS→email. You can set the frequency of the emails. Free accounts get ads in the emails, but it's inexpensive to go ad-free, which I do.
disclaimer: I get no benefit from sharing the site, just found it to be a handy tool…
I was wondering, about your suggestion (and please, keep in mind I am not that intelligent when it comes to technology): when I access all the posts via my RSS reader, doesn't this still count as some kind of "visit" to Reddit's site? Shouldn't we just try to stay away from it as long and as good as possible?
As a podcast lover, you'll have to take RSS from my cold, dead hands.
If a show is only available in a walled garden, and not via RSS as a whole, then it's not a podcast, it's a show.
Hmm, that's a good idea! I tried that, even with your museum-example, and it didn't work though.
Okay, that is very weird. With your link it worked now. I am using NetNewsWire and would like to add https://www.reddit.com/r/dayoneapp to the feed. But with https://www.reddit.com/r/dayoneapp.rss I get an error message that the feed would not exist. https://www.reddit.com/r/beebutts.rss does not work either, https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA.rss works. I am starting to feel stupid.
That does not work either. Maybe mods can switch rss off.
It found a feed in my target subreddit, but the newest article is from January 2021. In /r/museum the newest article is from Dec 2020.
This gets weirder and weirder.
Anyone know how sites like teddit.net will be affected? Apps like Stealth let you browse reddit with it set to teddit if you wanted.
@GhostMagician @cih @technology good work around for the short term. Eventually they will kill off everything but their first party app and web app.
As long as you can run teddit/libreddit on tor/i2p and keep the code up on a public repo, can they really kill them without completely killing their API? Afterall I assume they are just using the api to pull all the posts/comments/etc and pushing them into their own UI
I use @inoreader@mastodon.social. Recommended.
Thank you for this. Just a few hours ago i decided to start using rss, so im trying to put most stuff i read on my feed reader. Any way i can make it display comments too? Im imagining not, but im wondering just in case, since i tend to spend a lot of time reading discussions and bickering on r/aita
thanks for using Leebra!
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