Leebra buyeuropean
login register

EU alternative to Intel, AMD and Nvidia

2 years ago by Fanmion to c/buyeuropean

save

share

report

Are there no any EU alternative to those gaming hardware company? If we start now making GPU and CPU from scratch, how far behind are we?

iii 35 points 2 years ago

30 odd years. EU stopped innovating in 90's to 00's.

One good thing about the current US mercantillism is that people in EU finally notice that they've been asleep at the wheel for decades.

save

path: 0 15541166, hotness: undefined, score: 35, children: 8
deadcatbounce 13 points 2 years ago

No, they carried on innovating but followed the money because only major sources of capital outside EU would back their ideas.

Shame on us Europeans.

save

path: 0 15541166 15543260, hotness: undefined, score: 13, children: 0
apostrofail 6 points 2 years ago

in the โ€™90s* to โ€™00s*

save

path: 0 15541166 15551691, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 2
iii -5 points 2 years ago

Are you a bot, or is this your hobby?

save

path: 0 15541166 15551691 15551907, hotness: undefined, score: -5, children: 1
SebaDC 5 points 2 years ago

Can't bots have hobbies?

save

path: 0 15541166 15551691 15551907 15557839, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 0
Fanmion 5 points 2 years ago

someone has to make a start

save

path: 0 15541166 15542110, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 2
Sunshine 4 points 2 years ago

You could add Apple to the avoid american list as they make the m chips.

save

path: 0 15541166 15542110 15542208, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 1
frightful_hobgoblin 4 points 2 years ago

It's top of the list

save

path: 0 15541166 15542110 15542208 15543208, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
JustEnoughDucks 1 point 2 years ago

laughs in IMEC and ASML

We make the chip specs, advancements, and chip making machines here, but don't design or manufacture the chips ๐Ÿ˜‚

save

path: 0 15541166 15614592, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
luisgutz 26 points 2 years ago

ARM is a UK company that sells more CPUs than Intel and AMD combined. They dominate the mobile market. Literally all phone chips use ARM technology. Their GPUs are not bad for tablets and phones.

They been trying to get their CPUs onto the desktop and server markets for years, and they are beginning to get some success stories on both.

save

path: 0 15546947, hotness: undefined, score: 26, children: 5
alvvayson 10 points 2 years ago

Yes, but they don't design or manufacture their own chips.

A full-European solution just doesn't exist today, but I think an Exynos chip from Samsung is the best compromise.

Licensed from ARM (UK), designed and fabbed by Samsung (South Korea) with equipment from ASML (EU).

save

path: 0 15546947 15555230, hotness: undefined, score: 10, children: 3
luisgutz 5 points 2 years ago

ARM main business model is the sell of IP. They fully design their CPUs along with a host of surrounding technologies, like the interconnect. In order to prove their design work and are fit for purpose they have to send to TSMC and other fabs. Small customers buy their IP as is and then integrate it onto their designs. Their most expensive license is the Architectural licence. This means they allow the buyer to completely redesign their Chios, while maintaining compatibility with the Software. Large companies like Apple, Nvidia, Amazon, Samsung and others buy this licence and produce chips like the Exynos, or graviton.

save

path: 0 15546947 15555230 15557186, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 1
alvvayson 1 point 2 years ago

Ah ok, I wasn't aware of that

save

path: 0 15546947 15555230 15557186 15580689, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
fubarx 1 point 2 years ago

save

path: 0 15546947 15555230 15581935, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
FarraigePlaisteach 3 points 2 years ago

The problems with ARM is their involvement with Israel.

save

path: 0 15546947 15563350, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
LazyGit 16 points 2 years ago

save

path: 0 15541161, hotness: undefined, score: 16, children: 1
sunzu2 12 points 2 years ago

save

path: 0 15541161 15541248, hotness: undefined, score: 12, children: 0
AlexisFR 10 points 2 years ago

Lol good luck

save

path: 0 15561009, hotness: undefined, score: 10, children: 0
hklnspl 10 points 2 years ago

There was (still is?) an AMD (then GlobalFoundries) fab in Dresden, Germany, so some local European know-how does at least exist I believe. Still probably very very far from actually independently competing with the big players

save

path: 0 15540691, hotness: undefined, score: 10, children: 1
Fanmion 4 points 2 years ago

I think due licencing issue of x86 there could be problems. Maybe we need new architecture or RISC-V

save

path: 0 15540691 15542183, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
kitnaht 9 points 2 years ago

save

path: 0 15541052, hotness: undefined, score: 9, children: 2
Fanmion 2 points 2 years ago

maybe only hope

save

path: 0 15541052 15542082, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
PenguinTrinity 2 points 2 years ago

Didn't Nvidia try to buy arm in the past?

save

path: 0 15541052 15542273, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
brucethemoose 6 points 2 years ago

Their supply chains are quite globalized.

There have been mobile competitors like Imagination, but the reality is cutting edge chip design is enormously expensive and hard, and thereโ€™s a big performance gulf. Imagination (and others) canโ€™t afford to fab their own designs, and no one takes them up on it unless itโ€™s a mobile chip or something.

SiPearl was working on a rather massive ARM CPU: https://www.anandtech.com/...

Looks like the effort is still alive, but it was focused on server stuff and compute.

save

path: 0 15541032, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 1
Sunshine 1 point 2 years ago

Thanks for the information! I have added Imagination and SiPearl to the list of hardware alternatives. Gotta start somewhere hehe.

Update: Imagination is headquartered in the UK however most of the ownership of the company is held by the Chinese government.

save

path: 0 15541032 15542228, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
frightful_hobgoblin 6 points 2 years ago

There are Asian alternatives, not sure about Euro

save

path: 0 15540826, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 0
MrPoletki 4 points 2 years ago

Somebody could try poking imagination technologies into releasing a powervr based GPU for the PC. They haven't done that since the Kyro 2 in 2001. Been very active in mobile, they powered apple phones for a long time and still pay them licence fees for their home grown tech.

save

path: 0 15544555, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 2
brucethemoose 1 point 2 years ago

There might be incentive for that now? They totally could especially if some mass shifts to Linux.

Dxvk also makes life monumentally easier for them, in terms of backwards compatibility, and that wasnโ€™t always a good option until recently.

save

path: 0 15544555 15545631, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 1
MrPoletki 1 point 2 years ago

I can't help but think their tile based rendering would be a perfect fit for a chiplet design, making multiple compute chiplets a natural way of doing implementing it with the architecture.

save

path: 0 15544555 15545631 15556544, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
imalmo 4 points 2 years ago

No replacement for gaming chips. However, at least there's a Raspberry Pi to replace all these Intel N100 mini-PC's.

I doubt we'll see powerful gaming CPU's and GPU's anytime soon, if at all.

save

path: 0 15542427, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
Sunshine 3 points 2 years ago

According to the lastest steam hardware survey non-rgb gpus make up 0.23% of the market. Most of that is likely to be Apple Silicon unfortunately.

Though the Pinetime's cpu is designed by a norwegian company called Nordic Semiconductor. Maybe we could look into them for scaling up.

save

path: 0 15542182, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
Hiro8811 2 points 2 years ago

Not as far as you'd think. Most lithography machine are made by ASML in Europe, can't remember the country but their machines are used by Intel AMD and Nvidia. Problem is that Europe doesn't have the knowledge to use these machines and the fact that they cost millions if not billions.

save

path: 0 15581459, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 1
eutampieri 2 points 2 years ago

NL

save

path: 0 15581459 15586809, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
buyeuropean
buyeuropean

@feddit.uk

login for more options
10885
3337
2729

Overview:

The community to discuss buying European goods and services.

Matrix Chat of this community

Rules:

  • Be kind to each other, and argue in good faith. No direct insults nor disrespectful and condescending comments.

  • Do not use this community to promote Nationalism/Euronationalism. This community is for discussing European products/services and news related to that. For other topics the following might be of interest:

  • Include a disclaimer at the bottom of the post if you're affiliated with the recommendation.

  • No russian suggestions.

Feddit.uk's instance rules apply:

  • No racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia or xenophobia.
  • No incitement of violence or promotion of violent ideologies.
  • No harassment, dogpiling or doxxing of other users.
  • Do not share intentionally false or misleading information.
  • Do not spam or abuse network features.
  • Alt accounts are permitted, but all accounts must list each other in their bios.
  • No generative AI content.
Useful Websites
Benefits of Buying Local:

local investment, job creation, innovation, increased competition, more redundancy.

European Instances

Lemmy:

Friendica:

Matrix:

Related Communities:

Buy Local:

Continents:

European:

Buying and Selling:
Boycott:

Countries:

Companies:

Stop Publisher Kill Switch in Games Practice:

Banner credits: BYTEAlliance

go to feed...