Jesus wrestling Jacob? Christophany?

Genesis 32:24-30 KJV

And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.

And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name.

And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Flax_vert 3 points 2 years ago

I consider this a Christophany

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Terevos 0 points a year ago

I'm not sure why people consider it a Christophany. Jesus was not incarnate yet, so I don't think it was the 2nd person of the trinity.

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unmagical -2 points 2 years ago

So where exactly does it mention Jesus?

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Melatonin -2 points 2 years ago

IT DOES NOT!

Hence the question marks! I would love your take on this passage!

Seeing as "God is a spirit and hath not a body like a man", as it says in the children's catechism, it is interesting that Jacob was able to wrestle with him in such a physical manner.

How would you explain this?

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unmagical 0 points 2 years ago

If the passage doesn't mention JC then it's probably not about JC. A mid 19th century post hoc explanation of the trinity isn't going to actually change that.

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Melatonin -1 points 2 years ago

That's a very unreformed/uninformed answer! There are many places in the New Testament where the writers very clearly state that an Old Testament passage was referring to Jesus Christ, even though those passage don't mention Jesus Christ by name. The New Testament is absolutely brimming with them. Way before the 19th century, and way too many to account for by irresponsibly throwing out the word "edits" so don't try that

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unmagical -1 points 2 years ago

You're quipping about making stuff up while supporting a book whose primary evidence for taking it remotely seriously is itself?

The count of occurrences isn't evidence of authenticity or truthfulness.

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