[Completed] Lemmy.World update to Lemmy 0.19.9 on 16th of March, 16:00 UTC

a year ago by lwadmin to c/lemmyworld

Hello,

we will be performing the long awaited update to Lemmy 0.19.9 tomorrow.

We are planning for around 1 hour of downtime between 16:00-17:00 UTC on 16th of March.

You can convert this to your local time here: https://inmytime.zone/...

You can find an overview of the changes in our previous announcement here and in the Lemmy release notes:

Update 16:50 UTC:

The upgrade was successfully completed at around 16:27 UTC, but we're still fighting with some performance issues after the upgrade. Our database and the outbound federation container are currently using significantly higher CPU than expected, which is still being investigated to identify the root cause.

kuato 93 points a year ago

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victorz 23 points a year ago

A picture you can hear, holy. Vividly, lol

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tigeruppercut 7 points a year ago

Love your punctuation. I can hear it in Chris Walken's voice

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cheese_greater 2 points a year ago

Is that a young dr farnsworth?

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Stovetop 7 points a year ago

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whostosay 1 point a year ago

Get you ass back in the Futurama instance before I paint your back porch red

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9point6 35 points a year ago

This is the update that'll break sync, right?

Sad times, but I guess I'm gonna be deciding between boost and infinity tomorrow

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Shadow 42 points a year ago

No it won't. That's the next major release, this is just LW catching up.

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MrKaplan 29 points a year ago

partial breakage, the stuff that people on other instances have already been experiencing for a while.

iirc there are still some additional issues with sync arising with the update, but it won't be entirely broken.

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Shadow 10 points a year ago

I'm a sync user and haven't had any issues, what breakage are you referring to?

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MrKaplan 11 points a year ago

there are various mentioned in !syncforlemmy@lemmy.world, the main one i was referring to was the one where in some cases posts in local communities won't show comments.

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9point6 7 points a year ago

Oh phew

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kratoz29 5 points a year ago

For me Sync has been broken since long ago (proud Summit user now), my instance has always been updated faster than .world though, so I can't really pinpoint since which version I started having issues with it.

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Speculater 25 points a year ago

Give Voyager a try as well!!

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PM_Your_Nudes_Please 16 points a year ago

+1 for Voyager. It feels like a spiritual successor to Apollo.

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TheTechnician27 8 points a year ago

Voyager makes me feel right at home as a former Apollo and RiF user.

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spooky2092 15 points a year ago

I used sync for reddit for years, but I kinda hope sync dies. But I also have an axe to grind with the dev after they invalidated the app purchases and made people buy it again to not have ads. Plus their inability to update on a regular basis is kinda terrible, and has continued. One of the top posts on the sync community when I checked was to not report PMs because it will actually report a random comment with the same ID, which is just a massive fuck up given the amount of spam PMs.

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gofsckyourself 7 points a year ago

they invalidated the app purchases and made people buy it again to not have ads.

Exactly. Not even a discount. I think it was even more expensive than the reddit version.

I just checked. It's $20 to remove ads. Wow.
I also checked to see how much it cost for the reddit version. I paid $4 to remove ads and $5 for the "pro" version. That's more than I've paid for any app. Now they want another $20 to remove ads on an app they neglect and ignore their customers? Disgusting.

Plus their inability to update on a regular basis is kinda terrible, and has continued.

Not just continued, but has gotten worse. Additionally, it's even more important to update more frequently because of the more frequent changes. It was also never fully functional for Lemmy. For example, spoilers have never worked.

To add to all that, they don't even have the decency to pop in for a quick comment or two just to help people feel better.

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ThunderWhiskers -1 points a year ago

Wow that's a lot of salt for someone trying to value their work higher. Maybe just use a different app? Ironically I was a pro user on Reddit and have never been forced to upgrade on Lemmy as it has never shown me a single ad despite the fact that I would in heartbeat ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ , I have never had issues with any Sync app and I've been a user since...I dunno 2013?

I do agree that JDLawson has become more reclusive but he was never all that interactive with the community to be honest. I don't see that updates or stability of the app has really been an issue. Any time I have had problems they have always been native to Lemmy.

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gofsckyourself 3 points a year ago

Wow that's a lot of salt for someone who just wants to express their frustration. Maybe go to another thread?

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CosmicCleric 5 points a year ago

But I also have an axe to grind with the dev after they invalidated the app purchases and made people buy it again to not have ads.

Is that even legal?

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ByteMe 4 points a year ago

I mean, it was technically a different app, so I guess yes

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KazuyaDarklight 1 point a year ago

Honestly I was fine with the rebuy at first since it was a significant recode AND because they promised to stay on top of development a lot better than they had in the past. Obviously that was a lie and that's why I'm frustrated with them.

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Kbobabob 11 points a year ago

Former Sync user of around 5 years. Recently switched to summit and it was a pretty easy transition. I've made plenty of rants about how the Dev just abandons paying customers and I finally had enough once I knew that it actually messes things up if you try to report some things.

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Coelacanth 7 points a year ago

I can't make any other app look and feel as nice as Sync, honestly. I was trying out Thunder just now, and maybe I could get used to it but the user avatars don't work for some reason. I don't disagree about ljdawson though and I wish it was different.

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paranoid 1 point a year ago

I'm trying out Thunder and like it for the most part, but I can't seem to get messages to work

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KazuyaDarklight 1 point a year ago

If you haven't tried Summit, give it a go, the default look is NOT Sync like but it has a lot of customization options and I feel like I've gotten my setup looking pretty close.

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Coelacanth 1 point a year ago

I've tried but like all other apps it's not perfect. I don't know why you can't tweak the spacer in your post view. List With Cards gets kinda close but the spacer is too big (and the cards could be a little more compact). With Compact view the spacer is too thin.

I also hate the way it handles user avatars/profile pictures. Why are Sync and Boost the only apps that do it properly? Hide it altogether if no custom picture is selected, otherwise display it. All the "default Lemmy" user avatars make the comment section too busy in Summit, but I want to see custom ones since it helps me identify people I recognise.

Summit also doesn't do a different font colour for pinned threads.

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cm0002 7 points a year ago

BOOST BOOST BOOST

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Glitterkoe 4 points a year ago

Try Summit, it's slick!

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woelkchen 2 points a year ago

Try Summit, it’s slick!

Yeah, yet another proprietary app is really the place to go.

Thunder works great, it FOSS, and under active development.

Edit: A few days after this comment Summit has been open sourced.

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ByteMe 4 points a year ago

Take a look at summit too!

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LilDumpy 4 points a year ago

Summit is my main app for Lemmy.

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glimse 1 point a year ago

Lemmy Connect :)

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gofsckyourself 2 points a year ago

Accidentally replied to the wrong comment. Moved.

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unexposedhazard 0 points a year ago

Finally the people that got baited into adware like sync will be forced to find something better.

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j4k3 -3 points a year ago

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woelkchen 6 points a year ago

the app dev is given full access to the device

That's not how sandboxing works.

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spooky2092 3 points a year ago

You don't need to understand the underlying OS best practices because the app dev is given full access to the device

You also don't need to understand the underlying OS to make false claims about how it works.

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j4k3 -3 points a year ago

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spooky2092 4 points a year ago

If I intended to insult you, I would have. But when you make an outrageous claim without evidence, it can be dismissed without evidence, and I'm not in any shape to explain why your assertion that an app gets full access to your system on install is laughable. I'm also not in any shape to deal with thin skinned posters who see insults in everything, so good day.

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cm0002 22 points a year ago

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dohpaz42 2 points a year ago

What are you going to do with yourself with not being able to entertain us with your memes?

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cm0002 9 points a year ago

Well in my reddit days, I would open the app, see it was still down and angrily close it again

But with the far superior decentralized Lemmy-verse I just have to switch to an alt on a different instance lol

So now the game plan will be open app, waste a minute waiting for the timeout on my .world account and remember why and then switch to my .cafe account LMAO

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dohpaz42 2 points a year ago

Ah, it’s good to be King.

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astigma 21 points a year ago

Good luck admins! And thanks for doing it during the Carabao cup final so I have something else to occupy my time while lemmy.world is down :)

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bulwark 19 points a year ago

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mp3 18 points a year ago

Hopefully this will improve the sync/federation process between LW and other instances, especially those further away geographically :)

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ruud 17 points a year ago

Test

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sga013 12 points a year ago

successful

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ruud 13 points a year ago

Nice

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cm0002 6 points a year ago

Do you think you guys could do a post on the underlying hardware/infrastructure of .world? I would love to see what it takes to run the largest Lemmy instance lmao

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MrKaplan 10 points a year ago

in short form, we have HAproxy running on a hetzner cloud VM for Lemmy/Lemmy-UI, another HAproxy VM for the alt UIs, a VM for the alt UIs.

for the main LW box, which runs lemmy containers, lemmy-ui, pictrs and a database each for lemmy and pictrs, we have a physical box with an EPYC 7502P 32 core CPU, 128GB memory and NVMe SSDs.

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HowRu68 5 points a year ago

I can sort the comments [ new/old etc] now! ( Jerboa).

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sga013 4 points a year ago

congrats

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cowfodder 2 points a year ago

Icles

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Dremor 17 points a year ago

URL Blocking, at last. Now I can block all those AI shit websites on my communities :D

And being able to comment on locked post, what a nice QoL enhancement :D

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woelkchen 2 points a year ago

URL Blocking, at last. Now I can block all those AI shit websites on my communities :D

Huh? How? I don't see anything about this in the six linked changelogs.

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Dremor 3 points a year ago

In 0.19.4, section "Moderation enhancements"

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woelkchen 1 point a year ago

In 0.19.4, section “Moderation enhancements”

But this is about admins being able to block URLs, not about mods of communities.

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Dremor 1 point a year ago

Admins and Mods have means to contact each others. If we have good reasons to block said website it will be blocked.

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OpenStars 1 point a year ago

PieFed and Mbin both allow you to block URLs, like of a particular news source that you don't want. At a guess, the Sync and Connect Lemmy apps may do likewise (but I don't truly know). If Lemmy does not do it in the base web UI, you may have to hunt around to get the functionality that you want. I just wanted to let you know that it definitely does exist, maybe not in base Lemmy, but in multiple other ways, in case that helps.

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meldrik 14 points a year ago

A whole hour of nice and quiet on the Lemmyverse? 😜

❤️❤️❤️

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fuck_you_spez 14 points a year ago

Someone ELI5 why Lemmy is or isn't ready for a Reddit Exodus.

Personally, I want it to be. Reddit censorship/shadowbans/deletes is outta control. Imo the problem lemmy has is on Desktop, since on Android there are some great apps like Boost that give it a Reddit-like end user experience, wheras Desktop experience in a browser is No equivalent of RES, or classic reddit. Opening images is very janky. I like RESs 'view images buttons, that untwirls all view image buttons. Using lemmy on desktop is a Chore. I can handle it. But I imagine its very much a bad taste and an impediment to a greater influx of average users.

Its about time we left reddit behind and make Desktop lemmy more welcoming. The times we're in requires a trustable platform. Reddit ain't it.

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bappity 7 points a year ago

in my opinion it's the login experience. selecting an instance is too confusing for the average user.

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markko 4 points a year ago

I think it's just a matter of explaining instances in a clear and concise way. This isn't a Lemmy-specific issue though - it's a problem for all of the fediverse.

https://join-lemmy.org/instances says "You can access all content in the lemmyverse from any server, so it doesn't matter which one you choose.", but that still leaves some things unanswered.

It seems to have done a decent job of helping new users find a suitable server with a few simple questions though.

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Blaze 0 points a year ago

Lemmy is an alternative to Reddit, you can visit https://phtn.app/ to have a look at the content, and install an app using https://vger.app/settings/install.

For a more detailed guide: https://old.reddit.com/...

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Blaze 1 point a year ago

Lemmy is an alternative to Reddit, you can visit https://phtn.app/ to have a look at the content, and install an app using https://vger.app/settings/install.

For a more detailed guide: https://old.reddit.com/...

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Blaze 6 points a year ago

https://old.lemmy.world/ has a "show images" feature

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dryfter 2 points a year ago

For me to rely on Lemmy for news, there needs to be a LOT more action. Right now Reddit can be my sole news source because of how many people are on there.

The problem can be seen when looking at Twitter/X and the exodus that has been happening there. Mastodon was touted as a Twitter alternative but the onboarding was so confusing due to being federated. People don't want to be confused they want things simple. This is why BlueSky took off rather than Mastodon.

Anyone remember Diaspora?*

Decentralization is not a new idea, it's just too confusing to the masses right now. While the Lemmy onboarding process is actually pretty good, picking an instance is a trip up (it was for me for a very long time and I'm tech-savvy). Until that part is solved centralized services will always have more migrating users sadly.

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Blaze 4 points a year ago

For news

picking an instance is a trip up (it was for me for a very long time and I’m tech-savvy).

Lemmy is an alternative to Reddit, you can visit https://phtn.app/ to have a look at the content, and install an app using https://vger.app/settings/install.

For a more detailed guide: https://old.reddit.com/...

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fuck_you_spez 2 points a year ago

I hear ya, it wast a trip up for me necessarily, I just okayed thru it and it all worked somehow (basically I'm big dumb yes man and it worked out, lol), but i def recall the sign up was more involved due to those extra steps. A potential solution i can see happening is maybe a top youtuber like Linus or MKBHD could ease the pain of onboarding by making a digestible video that effectively goes viral due to their reach. Much like Linus vids on quitting windows for Linux or ditching Google services.

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OpenStars 1 point a year ago

Try this out and see: go to PieFed.social and make an account. See the sign-up wizard, which asks you what you interests are and subscribes you to communities based on that, and asks how much content you want to see with the keywords "Trump" or "Musk" - none, a little, or all/no filtering - and check out the user customizable and shareable Feeds that were recently added (the equivalent of multi-Reddits, a highly requested feature).

The Fediverse is growing up. Lemmy... well, has the advantage of the legacy work put into it so far - e.g. all the apps that currently work for it (though with some, like Sync, falling behind).

PieFed is even opening up new avenues in the democratization of moderation, allowing the user to control what they want. Lemmy, meanwhile, is somehow becoming more like Reddit over time rather than less - e.g. while it has the modlog, it lacks a modmail, and any notification of a moderation action (removal, locking, banning, etc.) and while it used to report the name of a mod who removed content (iirc you might be used to that on LW, being on 0.19.3, until just now?), now it just says "mod". So there is no way to appeal or ask about or even be notified that your content has been moderated. Even Reddit was more friendly than that!?!?!?

The promise of the Fediverse is that we can keep hopping to new places, not that any one place will be any good, but the tools man, the tools... they are pretty authoritarian in nature, when you stop to think about it, they REALLY are. imho at least.

And Reddit has the content. And no tankies (but does have conservatives). Overall, the vast majority of people (centrists mainly, and who don't use Arch Linux btw) prefer simply to remain on Reddit, seeing no real reason to move.

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irelephant 3 points a year ago

What features does lemmy have that piefed is missing?

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OpenStars 1 point a year ago

I don't have a comprehensive listing, but one example I can think of offhand is that the search function works much better on Lemmy (and is about to improve further by restricting to the title field). The PieFed search feature that exists now (like Reddit's) is pretty bad, where you can paste an exact title but somehow get no matches.

An extremely minor one is that there is no preview of comments before submitting, although a preview was recently added for posts so one for comments surely is not far behind.

A more major one is that PieFed does not work quite as well for navigating "deeper" posts - you can only toggle between the one comment you are at in the moment, with its immediate parent, and "all comments" in a post, which for deeper posts also loses the entire chain bc it gets hidden below a "Continue thread" link, so even searching for exact text won't find it and instead you have to go through every single one of those one by one until you manage to stumble upon it. Lemmy is starting to do the latter as well, in a manner similar to how Reddit started to leave behind old-Reddit and transition to new-Reddit - which I do NOT like! - but at least when you somehow get a link to a comment (e.g. in a notification from when someone replies to you; or if someone sends it to you), then you can step up the chain one comment at a time, which makes working with those a lot easier.

Edit: and needing to edit this post to correct an autocorrect reminds me that editing comments on PieFed is very frustrating - it takes you to a separate page, then when you are done returns to the OP (not even going directly to your comment for some reason?), which completely obliterates your progress, e.g. if you had comments sorted and some hidden as you read through them all, then it's very frustrating that all of your effort in those regards get discarded.

Then again, there is now a fork of Thunder that is being tested on PieFed, so many/most of the above could be addressed that way? And it's not like Lemmy does not have frustrations of its own as well, in different areas.

I haven't tested moderation tools on PieFed yet.

Mainly, PieFed is both ahead of Lemmy in terms of features overall, especially for a new joiner with the sign-up wizard and the preloading of all communities across the entire Fediverse, while also being less polished than Lemmy in some other respects. But it's closing the gap REALLY fast!:-)

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ekZepp 12 points a year ago

74b6d5de7267304ba24716ec01bd41ef-406423491

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mp3 12 points a year ago

Congrats on the successful upgrade 🎉

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58008 10 points a year ago

I'm not a dev/programmer, but does the version number starting with a zero suggest that Lemmy is still in a pre-release state? Like alpha or beta or something? If so, what needs to happen before it gets to version 1.0? Just curious! From my layperson's perspective, Lemmy runs great and I have no complaints about it, so I'm not sure what v.1.0 would look like. Or maybe it's all internal stuff that I'll never notice anyway?

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Rooki 17 points a year ago

You are right.

After 0.19.9 is said to be "1.0"

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58008 2 points a year ago

Oh cool! Thank you 👍

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Matriks404 7 points a year ago

MAME (Arcade and various consoles/computers emulator) is at version 0.275 and it's been developed since 1996. 😀

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58008 3 points a year ago

Wow 😆

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Flatworm7591 9 points a year ago

It's a bit of a shame we don't see any significant new features in this release. Piefed seems to be developing at a much faster pace compared to Lemmy, which is a bit embarrassing tbh.

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MrKaplan 21 points a year ago

considering that we're coming from 0.19.3, this does still introduce quite a few bigger changes for LW.

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fxomt 6 points a year ago

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CosmicCleric 1 point a year ago

piefed.dbzer0.com you cowards!

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CosmicCleric -1 points a year ago

piefed.dbzer0.com you cowards!

It doesn’t exist (but it might, in the future)

Ah, okay. Since you included an actual hyperlink I thought it was live/real.

This comment is licensed under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

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Chodi_MacCunt -1 points a year ago

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OpenStars 1 point a year ago

It is in Python so that is to be expected:-). Fwiw Lemmy's search feature is still vastly superior. Everything else, I would say that PieFed either ties or exceeds the Lemmy experience, sometimes greatly so, and often there is simply no equivalent at all (like user customizable and shareable Feeds, which act like multi-Reddits).

Mostly though, if you are happy with the Lemmy app that you use, then it's all good. Though PieFed is coming up strong to provide competition, which can only be a good thing for the entire Fediverse:-).

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TehBamski 9 points a year ago

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Blaze 9 points a year ago

Nice!

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Alphane_Moon 8 points a year ago

Good luck!

Looking forward to the webUI supporting defined thumbnails per post.

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angrystego 8 points a year ago

Are the comment upvote and downvote numbers gone intentionally?

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Blaze 7 points a year ago

There are now settings to display or hide them

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angrystego 7 points a year ago

That's cool, but it doesn't seem to work for me. I have all on in my settings:

But the numbers don't show:

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Syrc 8 points a year ago

Apparently they’re next to the timestamp now (you can see the “↑ 4” on your screenshot, and if you sort this post’s comments by Best, the Futurama meme shows as “↑ 87 ↓ 1”)

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angrystego 5 points a year ago

You're right, thanks!

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Dicska 3 points a year ago

I might be a bit confused, but I just went to my settings to see, and both "show upvotes" and "show downvotes" were ticked already, by default. I refreshed the page (Ctr+Shift+R), and it's still the same.

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Syrc 2 points a year ago

(Copying from my other comment)

Apparently they’re next to the timestamp now (you can see the “↑ 4” on that screenshot, and if you sort this post’s comments by Best, the Futurama meme shows as “↑ 87 ↓ 1”)

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Dicska 4 points a year ago

Aaaah, I get it now, thanks! I did see the “↑ 4” bits everywhere, but it turns out that every single comment I have looked at had 0 downvotes, and then instead of going ”↓ 0”, it just simply doesn't display downvotes. I thought I was going mad.

I liked the previous implementation, though. To me it seemed more clear.

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dontbelasagne 0 points a year ago

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asudox 8 points a year ago

Wow. Finally.

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woelkchen 7 points a year ago

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phillycodehound 6 points a year ago

Exciting!

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ticoombs 6 points a year ago

I can't wait! We'll finally get to do a real world test for the parallel sending features!! And if all goes well I'll get to save 5 Euro a month!

Thanks LW

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Dave 3 points a year ago

Only when they enable it 😆. We are also here waiting with excitement but it's nice to know there is someone else that can be the guinea pig 😋

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ticoombs 2 points a year ago

😁👍 Happy to be a sacrifice for the greater good

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Blaze 3 points a year ago

Final bullet point here says otherwise: https://lemmy.world/post/23471887

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dual_sport_dork 6 points a year ago

Finally, the ability to view (and delete!) your own uploads.

FYI, the sorting on the uploads tab is broken. Obviously I don't expect sorting by "top" or "controversial" or whatever to work, but sorting by "old" doesn't, either. It's always sorted by newest first. But at least it's something. (I know for sure I have images uploaded that were not used in posts.)

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rob_t_firefly 5 points a year ago

I am looking way forward to posting images with alt text! They brought that in for 0.19.4 and it's the one thing that I've been really feeling the lack of on here since the start.

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Sunshine 2 points a year ago

Great stuff!

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ekZepp 2 points a year ago

Nice add👌

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ByteMe 1 point a year ago

Hey, do you think you can add the running version of the instance on the column that is on the right side of the lemmy.world website?

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carrylex 8 points a year ago

No need to do that, you can simply scroll down to the footer and find the current version there ;)

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ByteMe 1 point a year ago

Right xd

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Korne127 1 point a year ago

I directly noticed that the background color got brighter and looked in this community to see whether a post like this got published. I mean, congrats on the new update I guess but I liked the darker dark mode more 😔

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OpenStars 1 point a year ago

I recall thinking that as well, but fwiw you do get used to it and it's extremely minor.

The fact that up and downvote counts sometimes appear on the left and otherwise on the right you never get used to though - I hate it.

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Brkdncr 1 point a year ago

Thanks!

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Lunar_Voyager 1 point a year ago

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MrKaplan 6 points a year ago

we're still investigating some performance issues due to one of the lemmy processes hammering our CPU :/

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Letsdothisok 0 points a year ago

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