Chinese soldiers pledge to sacrifice their lives in documentary on Taiwan invasion

3 years ago by pips to c/worldnews

‘Chasing Dreams’, an eight-part series aired on state TV, features testimony from dozens of soldiers
SIGSEGV 26 points 3 years ago

What are they expecting to happen if they attack Taiwan? They'll start the next world war. There isn't a reality where the West is going to let them have it, regardless of how effective their "precision strikes" or suicidal their lunatics are.

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SheeEttin -13 points 3 years ago

For the US, at least, I don't think the people care enough about Taiwan to support going to war.

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Longpork_afficianado 20 points 3 years ago

The average citizen probably isnt informed enough to know how critical taiwanese manufacturing is to nearly all Western electronics, but I doubt that level of strategic importance is lost to the politicians who will be making the decision.

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Dyf_Tfh 0 points 3 years ago

The thing is that semi fab are extremely fragile. For example, there was a Samsung memory fab where a few minutes of electricity black out killed months of production.

Basically it is impossible to protect Taiwan's fab. Those fab, by being the best in the world, are actually Taiwan's best line of defense. As soon as they lose this advantage, they are doomed.

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SIGSEGV 11 points 3 years ago

I see what you're saying, but it is really easy to drum up support, especially with how effective the media has become at manipulating public opinion. I've seen the US go to war over much less in my life.

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SheeEttin 1 point 3 years ago

True, Iraq and Afghanistan became deeply unpopular. I guess they could drum up enough anti-China sentiment for a few years.

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NuPNuA 4 points 3 years ago

It's a good thing we don't have referendums on these kind of things then.

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freagle -24 points 3 years ago

I mean, isn't this just the most schizophrenic framing. It's Chinese soldiers who are lunatics for being patriotic but Americans are sane for threatening world war over a Chinese island on the other side of the world.

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SIGSEGV 22 points 3 years ago

Suicide isn't patriotic. And it isn't a Chinese island; that's the point. It's a democratic, independent country that happens to be a US ally.

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NXTR 7 points 3 years ago path: 0 2178983 2179455 2179873 2180835, hotness: undefined, score: 7, children: 6
SIGSEGV 14 points 3 years ago

Officially. That's just political framing to keep China from going ape-shit. Unofficially, though... see the Six Assurances.

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birdcat -12 points 3 years ago

And it isn't a Chinese island; that's the point. It's a democratic, independent country that happens to be a US ally. 😍

And it isn't a Ukrainian province; that's the point. It's a democratic, independent country that happens to be a Russian ally. 😡

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SIGSEGV 13 points 3 years ago

What does this even mean? You're comparing cats and dogs in an attempt to justify PRC's warrantless claim to an island they've never owned in modern history.

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freagle -15 points 3 years ago

Suicide isn’t patriotic

Tell that to literally all the European and American soldiers who say they want to die for their country, and all the bumper stickers, and all the memorials, and all of the ceremonies, and all of the rhetoric, and all of the families, and and and... Or do you not consider it suicide when Euro-centric soldiers choose to enlist and committing to fight to their death?

And it isn’t a Chinese island; that’s the point

It's literally populated by almost entirely Chinese people, Chinese people who genocided the native inhabitants. It is quite literally part of the same land mass and water ways just like Manhattan, Galveston, and the Florida Keys. In all ways except one, it is a Chinese island.

The one way that it is NOT a Chinese island is that when the losing fuedal-fascist White Army fled to the island, the imperial fascist British and Americans interceded to protect their imperial fascist interests by ensuring that the KMT was able to stay alive and that they would be further indebted to them. The KMT then proceeded to prosecute the ruthlessly brutal White Terror on the island while the North Atlantic imperial fascists maintained diplomatic and military relationships with the island as a way of holding on to their imperialist presence in China that they obtained through violence, occupation, and the forced selling of opium.

This is the ONLY definition of "Chinese" that Taiwan is not, specifically that it is not administered by the central government of the mainland. The former central governments all administered Taiwan prior to the civil war, but this particular central government was stopped by European interventionism to advance European interests.

You are grasping at straws in trying to construct a narrow moralistic narrative that smoothly eliminates all the parts of the narrative that would fly against your moral narrative. It's not working. Reality is what it is.

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SIGSEGV 9 points 3 years ago

I would say that suicide is not patriotic to anyone. Why do Chinese supporters always resort to whataboutism, anyway? Shitty behavior is shitty behavior, regardless.

The PRC has never owned Taiwan. Also, it doesn't matter about the ethnicity of the population because, at the end of the day, they don't want to be part of China.

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jcit878 2 points 3 years ago

Chinese soldiers can go ahead and be suicidal if it makes you feel better. wars aren't won by dying for your country. it's about making the other guy die for theirs. sounds like China got an army full of dead guys

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vegai 11 points 3 years ago
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freagle -10 points 3 years ago

This is because when the losing fuedal-fascist White Army fled to the island, the imperial fascist British and Americans interceded to protect their imperial fascist interests by ensuring that the KMT was able to stay alive and that they would be further indebted to them. The KMT then proceeded to prosecute the ruthlessly brutal White Terror on the island while the North Atlantic imperial fascists maintained diplomatic and military relationships with the island as a way of holding on to their imperialist presence in China that they obtained through violence, occupation, and the forced selling of opium.

Specifically that it is not administered by this particular central government of the mainland is irrelevant. The former central governments all administered Taiwan prior to the civil war, but this particular central government was stopped by European interventionism to advance European interests.

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AnyProgressIsGood 6 points 3 years ago

It's not a Chinese island. They don't wanna be ruled like that. It's their choice, not yours

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iridaniotter 1 point 3 years ago

It's not a Chinese island? So landback to the indigenous Taiwanese, right?

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freagle -6 points 3 years ago

They're so ignorant they think you're talking about Han born there in the last 75 years.

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freagle -5 points 3 years ago
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vegai 2 points 3 years ago
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AnyProgressIsGood 2 points 3 years ago

If they don't wanna be a part of China they don't have to be. Nothing you said addresses that point. You can't just act like history didn't happen.

The people that live there NOW see no value in being Chinese. That simple, everything else is playing a pointless game.

The dinosaurs inhabited that island longer than humans. The true owner is the lizard people.

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Dreyns 4 points 3 years ago

Always funny to see people validating expensionism in the 21st century, really brings a colonialist bloodlust vibe.

Btw by funny I meant fucking depressing*

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freagle -12 points 3 years ago

LOL, "expansionism". Like what NATO does? Or do you mean the reintegration of formerly centrally administered provinces after imperialist interventionism that occupied, divided, and oppressed? Because lest you forget, all the people on Taiwan, except for the very small number of natives who survived the genocidal KMT, they're all part of China. They seceded and the Europeans protected them, not because they had a right to seceded, but because Europe wanted to maintain military and economic dominance over the region. Taiwan is a proxy in this case. Reintegrating the proxy is not expansionism.

Expansionism is 600 military bases around the world. Expansionism is establishing Ukraine as a new proxy and attempting to install net new nuclear capabilities on its border with Russia. Expansionism is literally what China has been fighting against for centuries. And now, because they want to continue pushing out European interests from their corner of the world, you're crying "expansionism"! It's ridiculous. Was it expansionism when Hong Kong was returned to China from the British? Was it expansionism when the British could no longer have complete immunity from Chinese law in Shanghai? Was it expansionism when the North Koreans tried to push out the Japanese from the peninsula?

Europe has been expanding for 600 years and you're going to cry foul when someone tries to push out European interests from where they never should have been in the first place?

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hangdognail 10 points 3 years ago
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Dreyns 0 points 3 years ago

Most of taiwanese people consider themselves taiwanese and do not want to be part of china again. No matter what happened before people now DO NOT want it or if they so they are now a minority. In case you din't know ujraine was invaded, and without western help it would've been swalloded by russia. You are trying to justify killings and rubles by citing the pastand ignoring the present.

With this kind of mentally everything can be justified. The core of rhe probleme now is much much more simple :

People want to go in someone else home and take it.

This is it, that's all. And if you're for that you need to ask yourself what you're really behind.

I'm personnaly fully against america emperialism and all the shit they do in south america, africa, etc... Their egemony on ecomy that is hurting all the planet, their lazyness torward climate change etc egc I'm agaisnt CCP repression of those they do not consider worthy, and their policy on privacy and their effort to control south asia. Etc etc...

Once you start to look closely everybody is an asshole because they are BUT this does not EVER justify senseless killing over patriotism, sovereignty, or wtv the fuck.

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iridaniotter 13 points 3 years ago

Not really news. Of course soldiers are going to say nationalistic things.

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AnyProgressIsGood 11 points 3 years ago

You go to amazing lengths to ignore the argument.

Do the Taiwanese wanna be ruled by genocidal authoritarians? Nope

the end...

Pro human decency tip. Ya can't impose your will on people. Maybe that's the concept you fail at grasping

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autotldr 5 points 3 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


China has released a new documentary about the army’s preparations to attack Taiwan, showcasing soldiers pledging to give up their lives if needed, as Beijing continues to ramp up its rhetoric against the self-ruled island.

“Chasing Dreams”, an eight-part series aired by state broadcaster CCTV last week to mark the 96th anniversary of the People Liberation Army (PLA), features military drills and testimonials by dozens of soldiers, of which several express their willingness to die in a potential attack against Taiwan.

They serve to fan rising Chinese nationalism and display military confidence against Taiwan and, implicitly, its ties with the United States.

The “Chasing Dreams” documentary showcased, among other things, the PLA’s “joint sword” drills, which simulated precision strikes against Taiwan.

Li Peng, a pilot from Wang Hai Squadron under the PLA air force, echoed the statement, saying his “fighter jet would be the last missile rushing towards the enemy if, in a real battle, I had used up all my ammunition”.

Fan Lizhong, a special tactics unit commander, said in the docuseries that while losing comrades was painful, he had to remain calm to respond to emergencies and always be ready to fight.


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TurboHarbinger 3 points 3 years ago

Water is wet

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AnyProgressIsGood -4 points 3 years ago

Ahhhh propaganda. Humans suck at filtering it

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