EU considers stripping Hungary of voting rights over Ukraine obstruction

a year ago by Blaze to c/europe

Hungary launched an anti-EU campaign featuring Zelenskyy and EU leaders, vetoes Ukraine military aid, blocks declarations, and spreads disinformation about Ukrainian migrants.
kepix 83 points a year ago

considers it every year, but does nothing.

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A_norny_mousse 45 points a year ago

Well, "nothing" surely is hyperbole. The EU is slow and bureaucratic. And, importantly, it has regulations that make it almost impossible to act against a nation once it joined EU. Like kicking it out.

Hungary already has had funds cut etc. by the EU.

I'm hoping stripping Hungary of voting rights is not the last possible step, and yes, I do hope they'd hurry up and stop dithering.

OTOH any such movement always has the potential of pushing the country in question even further towards the fascist fringe.

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qyron 16 points a year ago

That is essentialy the principle of good faith.

Unfortunately, good faith only goes so far and things have reached a tipping point where clear cut, non dependent of votes and agreements, sanctions and limitations to members states are established.

My own country prefers to pay an yearly fine instead of ending the double taxation in place on fuels.

Hungary is veering further and further towards a totalitarian regime. Arguing that people voted for it is an empty reply. The country is plunging into the completely opposite direction of what a democratic state is.

So stripping the country of its voting rights is not enough.

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lurch 7 points a year ago

The way I see it, we should make EU2 and NATO2 all just the same, but with kick out rules, and just not invite the countries in that don't fit any more.

With UN2 it's a bit different, because it's meant to get everyone on the table. So maybe just redo it without the stupid veto rules.

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qyron 3 points a year ago

There is nothing simple in removing a nation from a treaty, even more when it involves such degree of integration as we have in the EU. Remember Brexit. It was a complete disaster.

Saying there is a need to remake this or that institution is also not a good idea.

UN as it exists is undermined. Either all countries of good faith band together and forcefully ignore the treaties on which the alliance predicates in order to force change or those countries simply ignore UN and create a new international organization, with the same purpose but with more muscle and bite behind it. In my view, the UN could evolve to what could become a global federation and the prototype of a unified, transnational, government.

Regarding the EU, it is by default, to my knowledge, an ever evolving organism. New agreements, treaties, etc, are constantly being drafted, negotiated, etc. It is, very obviously and objectively, a large, cumbersome, slow beast but it has created very good initiatives that have created good outcomes for all.

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illi 12 points a year ago

I'd assume this is one of those decisions that has to be agreed on by everyone else - and they always had an ally who would block it. Was Poland, now Slovakia

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alucard 39 points a year ago

Hopefully they'll manage to block Hungary.

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EstonianGuy 36 points a year ago

This should have gotten done even before the ukraine invasion

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A_norny_mousse 6 points a year ago

The EU is still "considering"...

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jenesaisquoi 30 points a year ago

Just do it already

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Absaroka 26 points a year ago

Should have been done a while ago. A clear message should have been sent that undemocratic, Russian figureheads wouldn't be tolerated.

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Naevermix 19 points a year ago

Good, get to it. Should've been done years ago.

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SplashJackson 13 points a year ago

"considers"

Why not just DO IT?

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ZILtoid1991 5 points a year ago

Due process...

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androidul -22 points a year ago

this is not a solution, it just echoes what US & Russia wants, to break EU apart.

They must find a way to make it work somehow without breaking up the EU, this must never be seen as an option.

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gigachad 30 points a year ago

No, Putin's Puppet Orban is who is breaking apart the EU, for many years now.

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veniasilente -35 points a year ago

over Ukraine obstruction

so no word on Israel from Europe yet, huh?

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Tar_alcaran 36 points a year ago

But whatabout...

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McDropout -10 points a year ago

It isn’t tho when literal terrorists and war criminals roam Europe.

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ObviouslyNotBanana 16 points a year ago

While there is plenty to be said about it, the situation in Ukraine is a bit more immediately situated.

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veniasilente 1 point a year ago

Fair point, considering the ramifications on Zelensky's counter-deal.

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