Israeli official says Gaza will be "entirely destroyed," Palestinians "will start to leave in great numbers"
a year ago by inclementimmigrant to c/world
Thats why our nazi president is making sure it's illegal to say bad things about the Israeli government, like knows like
I would say genocide. It's Israel. Come on now.
As would I, hence I did. But the quote was from an Israeli official.
I think I might have read the comment I replied to wrong. It seems to me now they were choosing the second option of my original comment.
There is a word in ancient Greek which has the precise meaning "to entirely destroy" by fire. Maybe we need to start calling this what it is: a holocaust of Gaza.
Yeah, it's Israel.
Like a... Pogrom?
Wow it really is easy to make it sound like something Trump would say isn’t it?
Well except he has the vocabulary of a 4th grader and pogrom isn’t likely in it.
Its a noble dream. But for Israel to ever face justice their largest and fiercest backer - the nation that is often the only one that votes to protect them in UN votes, and the one that has almost singlehandedly turned them into a military superpower in the middle east - the USA - must get its house in order first.
There is zero chance of much changing on Israel while Republicans or the conservative wing of the Democrats are in power, and especially while Trump is president. That's not to say it can't change, but there are multiple hurdles: so, I hope you live a long time and see a lot of positive changes throughout your life.
The US doesn't need to "get it's house in order".
It also needs to (and seems on the path to) be destroyed in its current form.
With global trade inevitably shifting away from the unstable US, Military embarrassments against small impoverished organizations like the houthis, and diplomacy entirely built around leveraging those 2 things....it seems much more likely the US turns into a nuclear armed former superpower than that it maintains it's global status and changes to actually use said status for good.
The US doesn't need to "get it's house in order".
It also needs to (and seems on the path to) be destroyed in its current form.
This is just semantics, those two statements essentially describe the same thing.
I was explaining why Israel is in the position its in now and what's needed to change it at present - hard to see into the future.
The foundational legal and institutional structure of the USA is a good model for democracy. There is no perfect model. What needs to happen there is stuff that progressives have been asking for decades: expansion of the supreme court to proportionally match the size of the congress - which any democrat president could do if they weren't cowards. Then repeal Citizen United to get the billion dollar political slush funds quashed, and a massive anti-corruption campaign to prosecute all those who have broken the law over the last few decades. The US is backsliding hard towards a Russian kleptocracy, controlled by billionaires and their useful idiots - but it can be mended if laws are enforced. A lot of work, but to wipe the slate clean and start again with a new model would be far far more work and no guarantee that it's even an improvement at the end.
The US is witholding funds to the UN. Pretty soon, the world will just move on without them.
This makes me think about Handmade’s Tale. I’ve been watching it a lot recently and it makes you wonder what happened to Israel in this timeline. I’d guess Israel’s support from Gilead would have dropped to zero. They were likely fucked given that the Jewish people here were deported and put on boats that never actually made it to Israel. Just a random thought brought about by your comment.
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It's been shown that alone they cannot keep up the current rate of genocide, there was a report that they're already running out of munitions in couple of weeks.
Their economy is also in shambles and the zionist government will face a civil movement because they ran out of money.
The last part seems pretty unlikely. The population is entirely brainwashed they will not change course on their own
I saw a study of israeli children's books and something like half of them contain racist and dehumanising depictions of Palestinians. They are brainwashed from birth to hate.
Ironic given that's what they accuse the Palestinians of. Every accusation is a confession.
You know that Israel MAKES munitions right? They have a pretty sizable weapons industry. Not to mention with Trump in office, there is little slowing down how much they can purchase from the US.
I would take any report of Israel running out of arms with a massive, heaping spoonful of salt.
Good. Israel can get a new exodus.
Only one flaw with your logic... Most of the neighboring countries hate Palestine almost as much as the Israeli's do. That's why they haven't been accepting any refugees and haven't been putting a lot of pressure on Israel for their actions, Yemen being one of the few exceptions.
They don't hate Palestinians.
Palestine is a unifying call amongst Arabs. The rulers of countries like Egypt and Jordan who have made peace with Israel are essentially Western backed puppets who receive money from the US to stay pliable. They don't reflect the will of the "Street". The only notable exception to this is the UAE.
Neighboring countries have also received huge numbers of refugees from Palestine. They don't want to receive ethnically cleansed Palestinians for the same reason that European countries don't want to either. It is immoral, not to mention hugely destabilising.
I couldn't finish the article because of how horrific the descriptions of kids suffering were.
I'm not going to read the article because I've read enough already to be fucking sickened by it.
European sanctions also apparently never.
To all those who stood up against "Genocide Joe":
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!
Know that your internet slacktivism has made a lasting difference in the world, and the JIDF thanks you for your service.
You and everyone who repeats the “I hope you’re happy now” really are not helping. You’re mad, I’m mad, but please please get your fill of catharsis/smug self righteousness elsewhere please, blaming non/voters isn’t going to rebuild the Obama coalition that delivered a supermajority in Congress. The Democrats lost the youth turnout, Palestine (Russian/astroturf bots or no) were not the sole factor but a sharp tipping point that laid out reality bare.
Im not at all surprised that young voters who became politically aware during the Obama era or later were gradually disenchanted and sat this round out; when you look at it from their timeline they did all the right democracy things and got shit on over and over
- Organic enthusiasm for Bernie in the primary, sabotaged by superdelegates - your vote doesn’t matter, we pick not you plebs and in their mind that action brought Trump 2016
- George Floyd’s livestreamed murder and BLM protests - no structural change or even federal police reform passed
- The kids yet again come out and do the right thing by voting Biden in 2020, and watch more politicking and focus-tested soft liberalism rule the day. Rail strike busted. East Palestine spill without serious investigation or reform. Debt ceiling negotiations and kowtowing - everything will stay the same
- Oct 7 happens, then the Israeli bombing campaign begins and Biden openly castigates activists and doubles down on supplying the IDF - how dare you plebs question your leader
- Protests persist, organize and clearly make their demands known, even send a warning shot in the primary… receiving only empty words from leadership - they are not going to do what you want
- The DNC platforms two Jewish parents of a Hamas hostage at the convention, but refuses to allow a Dem Rep to speak with pre-vetted remarks - we don’t even want to hear from you
And nothing substantial happened that might change their mind. Kamala rode that same trajectory through her campaign, even as VP she had a harder stance on Israel that suddenly evaporated once she was appointed the nominee.
Its genocide - the crime of all crimes - and the Democratic Party refused to seriously discuss the topic in public. I cannot seriously blame them for giving up on a party that refused to listen to them in good faith, and disappointed them time after time. That’s on the DNC for throwing that demographic away, and we need to recognize that. They’re not voting for Republicans ffs but they’ve received the message that they and their vote, isn’t important to the Democrats.
Absolutely this.
Anyone denying the clear signals of despair from young voters is coping. Idk why anyone is getting mad at people demanding progress from dems at a time when there's no risk of electoral losses - makes me think those people are actually just carrying water for ani-reform neoliberal fascists.
I literally cannot find anything about “forum sliding” that isn’t re-re-re-reposts of the same text - and they’re almost universally tinfoil hat or ‘freethinker’ faux intellectual dross. If you’re that paranoid go read my comment history, it’s all public lol
If you want to live in a hugboxed information bubble where your ideas never get challenged, you can do that. But reality will come crashing through eventually.
I see absolutely zero indication of this being right-wing propaganda.
You need to learn how to spot it better then
^ This is what forum sliding looks like disguised as progressive concern.
no, it's not.
Fuck every one of you and I'm not putting in any more effort to keep the shit out of lemmy
thank God
Wow you're post history is so rancid I'm blocking your entire instance
Genocide is the ultimate crime huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izium_mass_graves
Or the genocide starting in America of people with skin the same color as I have.
It's Trump, no matter who the dems put up you weren't voting for them, you were voting against a rapist, pedophile traitor.
Genocide is the ultimate crime huh?
Fucking yes. I cannot believe we’re even having this argument. Nothing comes close.
Or the genocide starting in America of people with skin the same color as I have
I am absolutely not trying to downplay the barbarity and wanton cruelty of the Trump administration’s policies, but what we’ve seen so far doesn’t match the definition. Extrajudicial disappearances and zero due process for perceived or actual migrants is not the same thing as genocide. There’s no forced sterilization, rote murder, mass displacement, or deliberate attempt to destroy a collective people. CECOT is an overseas concentration camp, not a death camp - yet.
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Dodged right around the mass graves?
The kidnapped children?
The destruction of culture through russification?
They are, I got them out of the country when the redneck filth took over.
I voted against Genocide, 2 genocides, sorry I don't give a shit about the specific one you seem obsessed about, but I'm also pretty sure the ones I care about are a hell of a lot bigger.
Also, I knew a lot of the people I voted to stop the genocide of, which is why I care so much.
Maybe people wouldn't call him "Genocide Joe" if he hadn't backed a genocide. I always find it amazing that people blame the voters, instead of blaming the people with the power, the platform, and the money, who chose genocide over winning the election.
I always find it amazing that people blame the voters
I think people are blaming the people who didn't vote. They thought they were sending the message "I don't like genocide", but that was ignorant of them.
The message they sent was "Eh, either is fine. I'm fine with Trump or Harris. Whatever". And then they took the moral high ground for doing so.
The proper way to communicate an opinion that "both choices are terrible" is to make your way to the polling station and either vote for something other than those two bad choices, or to decline or spoil your ballot.
Not voting says "I can't be bothered to make the effort; anything is fine".
People think it means "Give me something other than these two", but it takes more effort to communicate that message.
Political activism requires effort, and it requires effort the right way. Not voting is political inaction.
What a joke. At the start of this genocide in late 2023 Blinken was floating the idea of "evacuating" the population of Gaza into Sinai. He distanced himself when it was clear Mahmoud Abbas would not agree to it.
There was a recent report that In 15 months Biden did precisely nothing to pressure Israel into a ceasefire to the extent that the Israelis "thanked god" for having such an obsequious President.
https://israelpalestinenews.org/...
He did however give them everything they needed for the extermination campaign and blocked every Security Council resolution.
He also set the stage for demonising students. 4 university heads were removed for tolerating Palestine protestors.
The only difference between Trump and Biden with respect to the genocide is that Trump isnt hiding behind crocodile tears.
Stop trying to memory hole Biden. We haven't forgotten.
I'm mad Trump isn't on fire and I can't piss around him.
Biden supported Israel and did nothing to stop this.
Kamala as VP and nominee, supported Israel and did nothing to stop this.
Now Trump supports Israel and is doing nothing to stop this.
OMG, they're perspectives are so different on this topic!!1! 😱 😱
jsyk, the majority of 'genocide joe' social media posts were right wing propaganda
I mean sure there were some that chose not to vote because of Gaza, but the number doesn't really make a difference in the final count.
More people abstained due to sexism honestly
I'm not sure thats true. Many people had legitimate concerns that Biden was backing a genocide. I've never seen any stats showing that they were right-wing posts. Plenty of left-wing people were mad about that as well.
Hillary won the popular vote when she ran. I think most people abstained because Harris was a terrible candidate, who ran on terrible policies that went against what the voter-base wanted.
I’m not sure thats true. Many people had legitimate concerns that Biden was backing a genocide.
No centrist believes this because no centrist can imagine opposing the genocide that remains the single policy any of them are actually willing to stand for.
'Genocide Joe' was an alt-right psyop designed to catch up progressives with distaste for the realities of middle eastern politics
Either you are naive to propaganda, or are actively spreading it
It doesn't really matter which is true though blocking you from my future lemmy experience serves to address both of your possible failings.
Honestly, who the hell cares.
Americans of every race made their choice in 2024 and there's no point in speculating what the losing party would have done.
The reality is what it is and we're under Trump now.
As long as those Americans understand what their vote was for and can live with it, that's what matters and I'm 100% okay with my vote and I can live with it.
I care.
More importantly, as a non-white American watching a genocide start at home, it very much matters who and what people voted (or didn't vote) for.
What really pisses me off is people saying democrats would have been just as bad, while we watch people drug off by thugs in black body armor to El Salvador to die without due process.
I think it's safe to speculate that that wouldn't have happened under the alternative.
I'm trying to understand where you are coming from. In the general elections, I voted for Harris and Clinton after voting against them in primaries. The thing about voting and elections is that there are hundreds of variables involved, and focusing on one to pin blame on a sliver of the electorate doesn't seem like thoughtful analysis or productive to an oppositional cause.
You can point to turnouts and results from specific counties until your finger dries up and falls off, but that only highlights a neglect regarding myriad other factors that contribute to results. My opinion is that the Harris campaign ran the race the way they thought best and they lost. They lost. Sure, in sense we all lost, but they were the ones driving the bus.
We aren't children without agency, they aren't singers on American idol.
They had policy manifestos, they were explicit about them.
And the voices screaming to ignore everything else and focus only on Palestine as the only variable that mattered, in unison, with almost perfect resonance with Russian troll farms (curious given Russia's close ties with both Iran and hamas in the lead up to october 7, and their use of Gaza to distract the west from support for Ukraine).
We're being played like puppets, and nobody is willing to admit there are malicious actors at work who benefit.
Yeah as a brown immigrant also in the US...get over it. This was inevitable; were just speedrunning it. I know you're hurting and want to expel that pain, but you really need to figure out how to channel it into something constructive instead of whining on the Internet.
Fuck that, I escaped the vile shit hole of the south, now I'm escaping to Europe.
I've lived everywhere, I can manage.
But, you see...
I'M NOT THE ONLY MOTHER FUCKER THIS IS HAPPENING TOO!!! AND MOST OF THE REST AREN'T SO FORTUNATE YOU THOUGHTLESS PRICK!!!
Because there's no history of brown people being killed in America.
This is about America, you're trying to make American politics all about Palestine, to the point you literally sacrificed America for Palestine.
Well-played.
I'm not sure how much better Democrats would have been with respect to Palestine, and I'm not going to speculate.
BUT I feel confident saying that the outcome for people in the U.S. would have been much better had the election gone differently.
I’m not sure how much better Democrats would have been with respect to Palestine
The principle difference is that they try to keep the quiet part quiet. Mainly by screaming abuse at anyone who has a problem with the quiet part.
To all those who stood with Genocide Joe & Kamala Cheney:
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!
Know that your support for genocide helped usher in Trump & has made a lasting difference in the world, and the JIDF thanks you for your service.
We won't even have real elections by then. your moral high ground is fucking worthless, when it garuntees minorities are just going to die. The "I'm gonna stand here and make sure you don't win in protest" only works when the other answer isn't straight up facism. Sure Democrats aren't and won't ever be progressive, but that's because this country lacks a progressive party. And the time to create one was many years ago.
The reason people like you can unironically think this fine is because the fascists won't come for you. You can fucking sit there with your goofy ass smirk while I'm sure I'll be right after immigrants on my way to some camp.
You honestly act like what's happening in Gaza would be worse with her. And as a result you really feel like just letting as many atrocities as possible happen is for the benefit of everyone globally. I can't take yall seriously
Compared to the 5d megabrain who thinks she would have threatened to invade Greenland and Canada while making friends with Russia.
I didn't expect her to be any different on this. My voting was based on differences in domestic policy.
I respect that stance.
The only people I'm deeply frustrated by are the ones hand wringing about why people didn't vote the way they wanted, and hand wave how dogshit Kamala was.
I was told many times that the extremists who hold this agenda in Israel are a small minority and do not represent Israel or have much power over its policy.
It's what I'm asking myself.
Netanyahu isn't seen as an extremist within Israeli politics. Zionism has always been fascist and always had the agenda of the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians
I know it's framed that way deliberately to western audiences as a way to minimize Israels current actions as fringe instead of mainstream, but yeah, definitely taken that way from the audience. American exceptionalism still has a stronghold in the mentality of the people here unfortunately.
He should have been more eloquent. I'm pretty sure there's an ancient word that means "to entirely destroy by fire"... If he had used that instead, it would be more clear what he means.
It's not even news anymore to see these shitty blood-glutted war criminals' gloating, completely conveniently forgetting the hypocrisy. Perhaps we need to simply call this what it is, by this man's very definition here: it is a holocaust of Gaza.
Israel is an evil country. Israel is the country with the most war criminals per capita. If the Israeli people do not do something significant in the coming months, they will be complicit in the atrocities committed by the IDF.
They're perfectly fine with that; a permanent state of emergency and ever-looming existential enemy is what fascists need to justify their own police state and crackdowns on freedom.
They need to be taught the same hard lesson Germany, Italy, and Japan had to be taught 80 years ago. Genocidal fascism has no place on Earth.
Pretty sure they are leaving already. But just in coffins like Israel wanted.
With widespread Kahanism, they did not learn everything from their past.
Presumably either Egypt or the West Bank. Well... Until Israel decides they want that too and start bombing the shit out of that.
Then Zion will not have victory.
There is no excuse for the systematic extermination of innocent civilians in response to the criminal actions of Hamas.
Imagine being Zionist in 2025
Or here's a novel thought: how about we start hoping for bad shit to not happen? The cycle of revenge and "I deserve this land because X" is how we ended up in this situation in the first place.
No, we ended up in this situation because colonizers came and stole Palestinian land. It's an Israeli myth that Palestinians first stole the land from the Jews and expelled them.
The truth is, Palestinians are just descendents of ancient Israelis. They're not invaders. They're indigenous to the land.
The truth is, you've completely ignored my point. Genocide as a response to genocide solves nothing.
Sure, Israel should be abolished peacefully.
I'm just saying, this isn't how we got here.
Settler colonialism is how we ended up in this situation. There is no 'both sides' when one is engaging in supremacy and genocide while the other is resisting eradication and fighting for their human rights
Edit:
For the people who are downvoting. Equating the violence here is the same as equating the violence in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. It's been over 76 years of violent apartheid, supremacy, and ethnic cleansing.
In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai, an Israeli, has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video
You're getting down voted because you've missed the point. It doesn't matter why the current situation is happening, calling for genocide as a response to genocide makes you just as guilty as the people you hate.
Kami is, which is why I downvoted them.
Palestinian resistance is not calling for genocide.
Zionism is the problem. While a small Minority in Israel, there are many anti-zionist Israelis who are playing a critical role in dismantling Zionism.
It's a one-state reality of supremacy and apartheid. The only way out is with ending Zionism and implementing right of return, equal rights, and massive reparations to all Palestinians
Unfortunately, from the outside it looks very much like the anti-Zionists are taking the position of "once the Zionists have done all the Zionism, we'll give them a very stern telling off."
This may not be how it actually is, but as long as Yahoo and people of his mindset are in charge, it won't look any better than that.
That's certainly not what they are saying. Ilan Pappe and Avi Schlaim are great counter examples. I think what you're talking about fits post-zionists much more accurately. And in terms of post-zionism I agree.
Adi Callai has also done phenomenal work about bringing an end to Zionism, he has a great analysis of Franz Fanon as well.
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Israel is the modern day Nazi regime and we need to stop mincing words about it.
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