AI Is Eating Data Center Power Demand—and It’s Only Getting Worse
a year ago by ThefuzzyFurryComrade to c/fuck_ai
Duh, the datacenter holding company is funded by openAI, which is funded by nvidia, who makes their money selling chips to the datacenter holding company, who then rents out their equipment to openAI, who gets funding from nvidia. So basically Enron 2.0
Well there's pretty much nothing to add here because you nailed it
I voiced this concern elsewhere recentley, it terrifies me to think of how much energy, bandwidth, computing power, and storage all goes into what is essentially, frivilous, pointless, lazy, stupid bullshit when it comes to AI and what people actually use it for.
I mean, I am as anti-AI as any rational human being.
but when you start describing digital things as frivilous, pointless, lazy and stupid bullshit.. That kinda describes about 98% of technology and internet usage.
My AI girlfriend is not bullshit good sir.
Some companies like Microsoft have started buying old closed down nuclear power plants like Three Mile Island in order to use them to power their AI, so hopefully it can offset a large portion of the energy demand.
then lobby your government to open more nuclear power plants? why do you anticipate a nuclear reactor owned by ms is going to be used for anything but what they as a company need it for? like yes it is a fucking waste for them to hoard an entire nuclear power plant to themselves… from the perspective of society at large… microsoft themselves probably view it as a good investment, not wasteful, why wouldn’t they?
microsoft is a corp, they’re only beholden to profit. even if they could give a shit about the poors they wouldn’t unless it could make pretty lines go up.
Because we really need that energy elsewhere rn
yeah, i mean ig. lmao smh. “we” and “elsewhere” are doing a lot of the heavy lifting here in this sentence. i don’t mean to be a dick but this is poor rhetoric. “their nuclear power plant is selfish and bad bc i said so >:(“ really only serves to give libs canon fodder for the “personal responsibility^tm” gun. maybe not as frequently here on lemmy but in the real world that is the response this would get. ik it seems like pedantry but this is a serious issue with leftist messaging in the modern world.
then lobby your government to open more nuclear power plants?
How about we lobby government to make it illegal to sell fission reactors to fucking AI tech bros.
lol i live in malta, in the eu. We probably couldn't build one here even if we wanted to. By "we" I meant humanity in general. You know, to help get off oil, cos of climate change and all that.
then lobby your government
First of all, only 5% of people live in the United States. Saying "your government" as if it's the only one is bad practice. There are countless other governments out there. Secondly, I don't know if the U.S. Gov't can easily be lobbied by grassroots movements as opposed to local bundle-state governments. An example is Oregon, which is a very left-leaning state that has provided welfare to its citizens, even if the federal government can't.
microsoft is a corp, they’re only beholden to profit. even if they could give a shit about the poors they wouldn’t unless it could make pretty lines go up.
This is why you should find ways to oppose this:
- Vote and campaign in your bundle-state. Getting the entire federal government to do something is hard, but getting Pennsylvania, the holder of Three-Mile Island, to intervene and declare it illegal to build nuclear power plants there is easier, not just because you need less votes, but because most people who live in PA probably remember what happened there.
- Do sabotage. This will not just be the government going against Microsoft, but the people as well. You can block trucks from coming in, you can vandalize the property, break stuff, and steal things. People of all political positions have done this successfully.
- Boycott Microsoft, or do economic action against them. You know about something Microsoft doesn't like? Make it bigger. Get people on a Linux distro. Have people keep the computers they bought, and buy used computers so you don't give money to Microsoft. In xUbuntu there is a host of applications that effectively replace the Microsoft Office Suite, if you ever needed that.
i don’t mean to be a dick but this is poor rhetoric. “their nuclear power plant is selfish and bad bc i said so >:(“ really only serves to give libs canon fodder for the “personal responsibility^tm” gun.
All you need to do is show them how bad AI is and they'll understand why its a bad thing, and then show them the solutions. The rhetoric isn't just "they're hogging our energy", it's "AI is a really bad thing that clogs up the internet, and it could be used to fake evidence and make CSM, and the resources for its operation could be used for better ends." A big problem is that people think AI is unstoppable. It has nothing to do with the rhetoric of personal responsibility, and everything with AI looking like an unyielding miracle weapon. Showing how much AI takes to run strips it of its terror, and emboldens people to take action against it, since they know the devil is not as terrible as he is painted.
ik it seems like pedantry but this is a serious issue with leftist messaging in the modern world.
The real issue is that Leftists need to become more populist and aligned with the blue-collar working class of miners, farmers, and factory workers rather than the white-collar working class of filmmakers, game designers, and programmers. Many people assumed that blue-collar work would become obsolete, and I guess that due to the internet, more leftist ideas spread there than in the real world. The academization of Leftism is long and complicated, and has a lot to do with the growth of communication technology and the fall of the Berlin Wall, but I'd still argue that such academization is what made Leftism as impotent as it is. What needs to be done for Leftism is a "touching grass" of sorts, and a focus away from schools and universities and towards fields and factories. Leftism post-Biden should be modeled after the successes of Vladimir Lenin, Ho Chi Minh, and Mao Zedong, rather than the failures of Ralph Nader, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama.
It would be nice if that nuclear power was used to power cities instead of AI trash.
These nuclear plants were closed for a reason. It was determined that they were unsustainable and required major maintenance and reconstruction.
If Tech Companies (who have no experience in running Nuclear power plants) start recommissioning them, and don’t properly maintain them, it is going to get very disastrous, very quickly.
Microsoft isn't the sort of company I would want to run a nuclear power plant. That's a huge responsibility
Microsoft isnt just reactivating old nuclear power plants.
They are building what could very well be the first functional commercial fusion power plant
But heaven forbid you use a PC power supply that's not 80+ efficient!
AI has basically obliterated 30 years of energy efficiency gains.
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"We did it, Patrick! We made a technological breakthrough!"
A place for all those who loathe AI to discuss things, post articles, and ridicule the AI hype. Proud supporter of working people. And proud booer of SXSW 2024.
AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.
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Do we actually know where the money for all this is coming from? The hardware and power bills alone should look like a huge black hole for any company doing this. Completely unsustainable, and yet Microsoft, Meta, Google, Apple all continue to function without issues.
The revenue generated is tiny, so where is the money coming from?
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