Why is programming.dev federated with exploding heads?

3 years ago by 8ace40 to c/meta

Ategon 66 points 3 years ago

The instance is currently federated with every instance (including places like lemmygrad and explodingheads) as the current stance is defederation should be a last resort with users being able to choose what they want to see instead

Exploding heads has some very questionable content though so its status is currently being discussed by the admins

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elbarto777 51 points 3 years ago
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targetx 18 points 3 years ago

It is an option in Sync for Lemmy at least.

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awwwyissss 11 points 3 years ago

Also Connect.

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V0lD 1 point 3 years ago
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silas 9 points 3 years ago

This is actively being discussed too

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astral_avocado 4 points 3 years ago

Yeah it should be a per user decision..

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tastysnacks 10 points 3 years ago

Server runners should be able to make their own decisions too.

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FiskFisk33 15 points 3 years ago

this is not mutually exclusive

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aport 4 points 3 years ago

This would make my life so much easier

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8ace40 15 points 3 years ago

I understand the reasoning but I think it's not the same situation as lemmygrad, which I feel is a normal instance with an ideological bent. Exploding heads is just violent propaganda. I hope you defederate.

What about hexbear? Is programming.dev federated with them? Or are they intentionally defederated with everyone?

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Ategon 5 points 3 years ago

hexbear split off and has been running their own fork for awhile separate from the rest of lemmy (so they couldnt federate with lemmy instances). They are coming back now though so lemmy instances will start to be able to interact with them soon

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JackBruh 5 points 3 years ago
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Ategon 5 points 3 years ago

Ah yeah just checked and looks like I see can see their communites, didnt realize they already joined in. So yes we are federated with them atm, just if a community hasnt been subscribed to yet by anyone the posts from it wont show up in the feeds

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8ace40 3 points 3 years ago

Thanks for the info.

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parpol -6 points 3 years ago
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lemann 4 points 3 years ago

Their interactions in threads were unpleasant, and a small group of them were persistently provoking lemmyworld users.

If you search exploding-heads you might come across some examples, if they haven't been nuked from that instance.

Aside from that, I find Hexbear users really pleasant, and I've never seen a lemmygrad user provoke anyone đŸ¤ˇâ€â™‚ī¸

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MinekPo1 5 points 3 years ago

While I'm personally bias (see right above), from my experience the general content in alt right spaces (I've been on wolfballs, idk about exploding heads tho) is a bit more unhinged than general content on Marxist/left unity spaces. I mean we MLs agree with the "vaguely leftist" person more than a alt right person.

I personally like to try meeting people where they are and don't block as long as the content isn't harmful. And imho a random person on the internet saying a 19th century philosopher was right is not that harmful, especially compared to people down the alt right rabbit hole (yes I'm oversimplifing).

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Double_A 4 points 3 years ago

The content that occasionally ended up in my All feed was mostly Hate against trans people (I.e. being happy about people's suicide), or complete nonsense conspiracies.

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cwagner 5 points 3 years ago
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natecox 2 points 3 years ago
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SuperFola 15 points 3 years ago

For those not aware of any drama, could you spill the beans?

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ImplyingImplications 38 points 3 years ago

Here's the front page of exploding-heads.com. It has a picture of a trans person hanging themselves with slurs I censored with an emoji since it's probably against the rules to post here

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Blamemeta -48 points 3 years ago

They are not left wing, mainly.

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Akisamb 31 points 3 years ago

A particular flavour of right wing though. One that goes out of it's way to say the most aboherent shit on people that are not like them.

In France we've got laws to regulate this type of speech. Say that AIDS is god's punishment to the homosexuals -> get a fine (or if it's the twentieth time you do it, go to jail).

I don't find it shocking that people are banning content that some countries judge so problematic that they are ready to put people in jail for it.

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Darorad 27 points 3 years ago
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shagie 5 points 3 years ago
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Ategon 4 points 3 years ago

Note if two instances are defederated from each other they can't see each others posts & comments on some third instance

So if people from world and people from beehaw comment on a post here people in p.d can see them both but the beehaw users can't see the world users (if you check this thread on beehaw theres some comments missing)

Due to this and the nature of this instance the people in different instances interacting with each other hasnt been a problem and its mainly the all feed. As you said people deciding whether they want to join the instance can't curate their all feed while they lurk so having that not be shit is ideal (and reducing the amount of blocks people need to do)

I found an option when digging through the lemmy code yesterday that allows a community to be hidden so it doesn't show in the all feed which might be the best thing to do currently. (It just can only be set from the backend and has no ui to set it for some reason ). Still allows users to interact here since that hasnt been a problem and still allows people to sub to those communities. Would have to be extended eventually to be able to cover entire instances and could make it a screen when somebody joins the instance of if they want to see things like politics, sports, etc. which could enable or disable different things to be hidden

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shagie 1 point 3 years ago
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Ategon 2 points 3 years ago

For anybody that stumbles upon this post, pushed out our decision on it and it was talked about in the august newsletter https://programming.dev/post/1671024

The exploding-heads communities that break our rules have been removed from the instance (and if you find any more in the future report a post that shows it breaking the rules and ill deal with it)

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