Don't worry, texteditor.com is also available as an app on Windows, macOS and Linux thanks to Electron.
It only needs 300 megabytes and you can style it with CSS.
MyFairJulia 141 points 3 years ago
scarilog 7 points 3 years ago
Man it's not lightweight, but damn, if CSS and JS isn't a really easy way to build cross platform UIs than other options like Qt. There's a reason why electron is so popular.
CanadaPlus 19 points 3 years ago
So was all this bloat inevitable as hardware got better, or is there a way to go back? It feels like a ripoff that our computers are 1000x better but they're maybe 10x faster once all the shitty software is taken into consideration.
mea_rah 21 points 3 years ago
Perhaps it's kind of inevitable to have some bloat. For example apps these days handle most of the languages just fine including emoji, LTR/RTL and stuff. Some have pretty decent accessibility support. They can render pretty complicated interface at 8k screen reasonably fast. (often accelerated in some way) There is a ton of functionality baked in - your editor can render your html or markdown side by side with source code as you edit it. You have version control, terminal emulator, language servers, etc..
But then there's Electron, which just takes engine capable of rendering anything and uses it to render UI, so as a result there's not much optimization you can do. Button is actually a bunch of DOM elements wrapped in CSS.. Etc.. It's just good enough for the "hardware is cheap" approach.
I think Emacs is a good example to look at. It has a ton of built in functionality and with many plugins (either custom configuration or something like Doom Emacs) you can have very capable editor very comparable to the likes of VS Code. Decades back Emacs had this reputation of being bloated, because it used Megabytes of RAM. These days it's even more "bloated" due to all the stuff that was added since. But in absolute numbers it does not need as much resources as its Electron based peers. The difference can easily be order of magnitude or more depending on configuration.
MyFairJulia 2 points 3 years ago
I am working on an application using DevExpress XAF. It allows you to build a big enterprise application relatively quick by doing a lot of the dirty work you would otherwise do yourself for CRUD stuff. A lot of the application can be modified through mere clicks without touching a single line of code.
It is cool but kinda bloaty. When you simply launch an XAF application, it uses 300 megabytes of RAM. And that's before you even loaded a single byte of business data. You have just reached the login screen.
At least i felt it was "kinda bloaty" until i first booted Void Linux on my gaming PC at home and took a look at htop. IT'S ONLY 400 MEGABYTES AND IT'S READY TO USE! MAYBE ADD 200 MEGABYTES FOR KDE!
ALL THIS BLOATING CANNOT CONTINUE! WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION IMMEDIATELY OR WE WILL BE FOREVER DOOMED TO UPGRADE OUR RAM LEST WE DON'T WANT EVEN A FUNCTIONING TEXT EDITOR!
ZILtoid1991 8 points 3 years ago
I have a few suggestions:
- Better education. Don't scare people who're learning programming away from the lower-level stuff, especially as people are even getting scared to use type declarations, not just the pointers (of which I was fearmongered with in college, as they told me Java is the future).
- Better portable APIs. Thanks to WebAssembly, one could easily have both something portable in a web browser and as a native desktop app, except instead we get browsers running said applications. I had some thinking about such a project, but then I remembered my iota project (a D-native replacement of SDL/SFML/GLFW, but without bloat by including standard library features), and then stopped thinking about it immediately, since a much smaller project already causes me too much headache. (Someone has a handy guide on win32 API? I have issues on getting certain messages produced, like input language change, and I don't know if I glimpsed over some functions that enable them and just weren't included in the documentation of the input language change event codes.)
CanadaPlus 4 points 3 years ago
You know, I haven't worked on a super big project, but I feel like every time I've gotten a type error in a static language it's pointed to something wrong with my underlying reasoning.
ZILtoid1991 7 points 3 years ago
In the short run, yes. In the long run, this just makes a bunch of coders that are now afraid of type declarations, because they were scared away from it with the "what if you have to choose?" tagline, thus making turning back to the proper way of doing things harder.
CanadaPlus 3 points 3 years ago
I was thinking about this a bit. Does that mean you can develop a piece of software much more cheaply now? I have a fear that companies writing software get a 10% discount from writing bloat, while clients wind up using 10,000% the resources and are just so used to it they don't complain.
AnonStoleMyPants 10 points 3 years ago
Of course! And it definitely does not try to pry all info about the user that it can and definitely the company behind would not use that in any way.
ivanafterall 2 points 3 years ago
I like that you can just install it straight from the Windows Store, no need to even bother opening Edge to download it.
ZILtoid1991 3 points 3 years ago
And the app is just a chromium browser without the ability of typing in your own URL.
ZILtoid1991 7 points 3 years ago
As long as you don't check the task manager.
Rubennaatje 5 points 3 years ago
I mean look at the most used applications these days, discord, Spotify, teams, steam, vscode, slack, etc
They might not all exactly be electron but theyre all secretly browsers.
dmmeyournudes 2 points 3 years ago
okay. but every game launcher you have is web based. all the software management for my server is done through a web browser. the amount of time i spend in web based programs is many magnitudes more than the time i spend in software that is using other systems. even the games you play have web based interfaces for their ingame stores and other social/news features.
Zeth0s 21 points 3 years ago
But you can use more shortcuts!
I hate editors in browser. With Chrome at least --kiosk turns them in proper apps. In Firefox it's impossible to turn off browser shortcuts and use them to work.
What barbarian do they think I am, using a mouse to do stuff on my editor. I need long complex absurd keyboard shortcuts to function
ArcticPrincess 14 points 3 years ago
Allow me to introduce: Firefox vim keybindings extensions. So many more shortcuts if you don't need to worry about typing characters in normal mode.
chocobo13z 2 points 3 years ago
I'm a Tridactyl person, myself
steal_your_face 63 points 3 years ago
.exe? 🤮
ZILtoid1991 52 points 3 years ago
Linux doesn't have a standard file extension for executable files, and that wouldn't have been good for this meme.
Andrew15_5 24 points 3 years ago
You can: ./texteditor, ./bin/texteditor, "texteditor binary", "(local) texteditor program".
nothacking 15 points 3 years ago
.elf is the closest thing we have.
RickyRigatoni 29 points 3 years ago
I hate elves. If I see any elves in my computer I'm throwing it in the forge.
Anangrierterrarian 4 points 3 years ago
YES BROTHER KILL THE ELVES
QuazarOmega 4 points 3 years ago
Roll in the .Appimage boys
nomadjoanne 22 points 3 years ago
Oh they're just making a general point.
My gf did ask me why there wasn't an "exe" on my linux system though. But that's another story.
ivanafterall 33 points 3 years ago
Award me a proprietary Ethereum-based crypto token for editing my text with your tool and I'm sold.
ZILtoid1991 13 points 3 years ago
Textediting2earn
MyFairJulia 3 points 3 years ago
I've been wondering which crypto product i should work on. What do you think is the most promising project?
KateKash, Nanocoins, VimBucks, NotePetz++ (i heard cryptobros love ERC-20 based lifeforms), M$ WorDillars
Midnitte 38 points 3 years ago
Is web3.0 just https://texteditor.exe?
MyFairJulia 30 points 3 years ago
Kind of. First you have to buy a Texteditor token and then the license says you're permitted to open the IPFS link in order to use Texteditor.
TheOldRazzleDazzle 50 points 3 years ago
Lol but included in the source for www.texteditor.com is analytics, beacons, etc from Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter, Cloudfare, and a bajillion different ad networks that send the content of your text file to AI models.
squigglycunt 0 points 3 years ago
pihole and unbound dns babyyyyyy
grue 36 points 3 years ago
My text editor doesn't access shit on my drive (unless I ask it to) because it's Free Software and my Linux distro package maintainers audit it to make sure it doesn't contain malware like that.
You're praising a pathological solution to a problem that shouldn't exist to begin with.
Takumidesh 13 points 3 years ago
Forever audits of free software are unsustainable in my opinion.
To truly audit every piece of software, you need an independent party to spend time (often more than the development) to look through the code, that person needs to be equally or more experienced than the developers of the software, and have specific knowledge for vulnerabilities and malicious techniques.
They then need to audit and monitor all of the channels of distribution for that software, including various websites and repositories. This needs to be done constantly.
You effectively need to double or more the total level of effort for all software.
Yes, high profile software (sometimes) gets audited regularly, but the assumption that anything you grab from your package manager has been truly audited leads to a false sense of security, additionally the assumption that an audit being performed means there are no issues with the code also leads to problems.
The reality is that most open source software doesn't get audited because it is too much work.
ZILtoid1991 14 points 3 years ago
Wait until you meet with Javascript and WebAssembly viruses!
BurnedOliveTree 3 points 3 years ago
That’s why there is sandboxing on macOS and in Flatpacks
Commiunism 22 points 3 years ago
I shamelessly use calculator.net instead of installing a calculator on my system lmao
knobbysideup 13 points 3 years ago
bc -l
OrangeXarot 2 points 3 years ago
I checked the manual to see what the -l switch does and it says you can choose the math library you want to use? in what cases should I use it?
knobbysideup 1 point 3 years ago
without -l, default behavior is integer results. Probably not what you want in most calculations.
ZILtoid1991 9 points 3 years ago
Use google to mean "web search" in general!
Let them loose their trademark over the name google by generalization!
nonfuinoncuro 4 points 3 years ago
lose*
squigglycunt 2 points 3 years ago
gaggle?
loudWaterEnjoyer 11 points 3 years ago
Are you aware how much more electricity your calculation is consuming
xyzinferno 1 point 3 years ago
I just stick a single line of HTML in the address bar and use that as a text editor. It's just a giant test field taking up the page with a dark background and white text.
Useful if I just want to write text without any need to format it.
LoafyLemon 26 points 3 years ago
Given that JavaScript stands as one of the most prevalent vectors for infections, I am inclined to disagree.
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